On to bubbles. I am no liposome expert, but the basic ideas (of how liposomes resemble cells in their natural tendency to form spheres) I learned from this short youtube video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQA9YlhgTQc
I suspect that Emek's process is different in several ways.
Johnwen wrote:Subject BUBBLES!
First the reference of bubbles is what happens inside the human body when the liposome combines with a cell and the two merge and the liposome gets dissolved, IT DOES NOT HAPPEN IN THE PROCESS OF ENCAPSULATION!!!
If it did the Liposome would loose it’s characteristics and be put through the digestive process which would be the same as taking the product by itself!
Hydrophobic substances have to be pushed into the core of the liposome.
The video illustrates that there is at least one other way.
My guess (and only a guess regarding the Emek/Empirical process) is that vitamin C is completely dissolved in the pharmaceutical grade water. After the liposomes form with their aqueous center filled with water - the liposome is also filled with the vitamin C that had been dissolved in the water.
I am quite certain there is no high PSI involved.
A bubble may be a poor analogy, but it is what is inside the bubble, and how and when the bubble breaks.
Vitamin E is a good example where only a 54% encapsulation has been attained.
Hydrophilic substances can be forcefully absorbed into the outer bilayer of the liposome. Where the particles can be transported to the core.
In both cases the maximum particulate capacity of the individual liposome is only 25% of the individual liposome’s weight. Which by now you realize is quite minimal.
I freely admit I do not follow. Liposome technology has been around for 40+ years and by now there must be many technologies for creating them. But to say "the capacity is 25% of the individual lipsome's weight is wrong" - or Emek is wrong.
We are not talking about embedding vitamin C in the bylayer, so maybe your next point addresses this? The vitamin C is contained in the aqueous interior.
It’s hydro capacity can be a 100%
Here we go!
however in processing, drying of the liposome’s will remove the hydro part and leave the particulate matter in the core. Upon mixing it with water before consumption will revive some of the hydration but not to the levels seen during processing thusly leaving the core particulate matter intact.
Even if the above is true, I have never heard of "drying liposomes" prior to consumption? In fact, either in the material/links you provided, or somewhere else, it pointed out that there has to be sufficient water to prevent the liposomes from merging/combining. Like bubbles So if you removed the water, it is likely the liposomes would be destroyed. It was your link - about what happens in the liver. And this seems to be the problem with Mercola's so-called liposomes - not enough water, just a gooy blob if you open the capsule.
Once it combines with a cell and a bubble forms, digesting some of the outer layers of the liposome will release it’s core into the cells structure.
This is one theory - the so called "energy free", no cell membrane transport needed idea.
It is "easier" (at least for me at this point) to think that, at least in the case of vitamin C, that they break down in the liver, and then the liver acts like it would had it all the enzymes to make vitamin C. (Otherwise, how and why does it last in the blood, how does it "find" the cells that need vitamin C (like a transporter might help with) etc.
NOTE; some of the particles may become lodged in the outer layers during the hydration processing and will break down either during mixing with water before consumption or once they get in the serum components in the body.
Now do you want to talk about the structure of Stealth Liposome’s?????
How about Target Specific Liposome’s?????
Ah, maybe but I have a lot of previous posts to comment on - starting with your agreement with Dr. Hickey about IV/C versus liposomal C. By the way, have you used or tried a truly liposomal C? (I gather Hickey is making his own "homemade" style).
Aside I saw my alt doc this weekend and I attempted to show him some of the testimonials. His answer, not believing vitamin C was responsible, was that the Lecithin all by itself - the health benefits of the PLC, explains all these testimonials. (I didn't want to argue because that would mean that all "liposomal", if they worked via the PLC effect, would be on par. Clearly they are not. So we finally agreed the way to find out is to create the same liposomal - without vitamin C. The placebo? And see if we get the same results. But I have not doubt it is the vitamin C in these products that has the amazing curative effect regarding infection.