please advise.. 3 heart attacks & stenosis

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Re: please advise.. 3 heart attacks & stenosis

Post Number:#121  Post by Johnwen » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:36 am

Right now I would have to say Just hold a steady course on what he’s doing now. The numbers on the LP(a) are what is detectable and taking the lysine is what is keeping them from doing their dirty work, so don’t think your not doing your part just based on a number.
All were doing right now is trying to figure out what could be the cause of this minor rise and see what direction it goes from here.
On the effient from what I’m starting to see about this drug is that it has some effect on the genetics and from other experiences I’ve had with any other type of gene therapy is that, it takes years for effects to start to be noticed. So yes it could take years for it to start showing changes but before I would jump to any conclusions or make any changes I would have to see a pattern of consistency. Like seeing a continuance of increase in his LP(a) just comparing two test 6 months apart really doesn’t warrant any changes at this time.
The thing is just continue to be observant and see if he exhibits any signs of going in the wrong direction. Like sudden shortness of breath or a new pain that comes out of no where for no good reason or anything that is not normal or expected. Then seek help, other then that just be yourself’s when he gets his next test done we can then start establishing a base line and determine if a change needs to be done.
I don’t know if you ever heard the term Poly Pharmacy this is where you throw a bunch of drugs at one problem and if they don’t work immediately you switch them around and add or subtract three or more of them then two weeks later do it all over again and then when they still can’t figure it out you send them to a specialist who has to change them all and start from scratch. This is what happens if changes are made without consideration of time. Don’t let a number (Unless it’s over board) be a call to action especially if he’s not showing any signs.
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Re: please advise.. 3 heart attacks & stenosis

Post Number:#122  Post by jpoww » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:30 pm

ok how long do you think before we do another set of lab test from Berkely?

I spoke with the lady at the lab again and she said she found out that Lp(a) was a measured reading. I dont know if that changes your view on anything.
So far he has not been having any pain in his chest area. He has been having more gastro issues right now, bloating and sometimes he gets nausea and a feeling of squeezing in his throat and a tingling sensation thru his entire body and weakness in his legs but then it goes away after a couple of hours. We went to the ER last thrusday because we were both scared it could be his heart but they did an EKG and blood work and they said his heart was fine. I just thought it maybe was a panic attack he had thinking it was his heart. I dont know but I hope these arent signs of something more.

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Re: please advise.. 3 heart attacks & stenosis

Post Number:#123  Post by jpoww » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:15 pm

Johnwen or Ofonorow, given my husbands history of heart disease from the previous diaglogs we have had, he wants to now stop taking Powdered Vitamin C (AA) a day and just take 5 Packets of Liposomal Vitamin C a day instead. Do you think this is wise? Do you think 5 packets of Liposomal a day enough?

He is currently taking
26 grams of Powdered Vit. C (AA)
6 grams of Lysine
2 grams of Proline

He will continue the lyisne and proline he just wants to replace the 26grams of powdered vitamin c with the 5 packs of liposomal vitamin C

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Re: please advise.. 3 heart attacks & stenosis

Post Number:#124  Post by ofonorow » Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:03 am

My intuition says as long as its true liposomal - e.g. Lypo-C - he is probably okay switching. However, all (most) of our experience over the years is with people taking powdered ascorbic acid.
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Re: please advise.. 3 heart attacks & stenosis

Post Number:#125  Post by Arrow » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:35 pm

You would do well to get an carotid artery sonogram which can visualize plaque in that vessel. It is an indicator for the health of the total vascular system.

My neighbor went on the paleo diet and a 50 percent occulsion of this vessel is now clear. Paleo diet, vitamin c, lysine and serrapeptase will clear it pretty quick.

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Post Number:#126  Post by jpoww » Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:06 pm

I will mention that test to his doctor. I would love for him to have that test done. The paleo diet is more meat base diet right? what is serrapeptase? what's your thoughts on lypo-c vs powdered vitamin c?

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Post Number:#127  Post by jpoww » Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:53 pm

ofonorow, my husband weighs between 165-170 he fluctuates. He is on 10mg of effient since september of 2012. I thought I read somewhere that there is a issue with taking this medicine and ones weight. Do you know anything about this? In the last several months he has been getting headaches almost daily. Could the effient be the cause?

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Re: please advise.. 3 heart attacks & stenosis

Post Number:#128  Post by ofonorow » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:55 am

assume efficent is a drug. I am not an expert on drugs (perhaps johnwen or eDOC will comment).

What is the problem with his weight? Do you think his weight is to low?
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Re: please advise.. 3 heart attacks & stenosis

Post Number:#129  Post by jpoww » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:03 am

Awhile back in this post I think Johnwen who made the reference between the amount (mg) of Effient (blood thinner) and his body weight. Since that comment my husband has lost more weight so now I was just wondering if its an issue that I should bring up to his doctor. He is on 10mg of effient

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Re: please advise.. 3 heart attacks & stenosis

Post Number:#130  Post by ofonorow » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:48 am

I hope a medical doctors comments. I just looked up this drug which is a "stronger" plavix and "irreversible". (We have brought up the fact that several Plavix trials have been discontinued or stopped because the mortality rate of the Plavix group were higher than placebo. Yet it is still FDA approved and they continue to sell it.)

Remind us why his doctors feel the need to reduce the adhesion between his platelets?

I don't like aspirin, but it can't be worse than these drugs, can it?
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Re: please advise.. 3 heart attacks & stenosis

Post Number:#131  Post by jpoww » Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:01 am

He has had 3 heart attacks. He has 3 stents. In dec of 2010, the doctors took him off plavix which he was on at that time because they thought it was causing his low white blood count. Within a week of him being off plavix he had a heart attack.When he came out of the cath lab, they said his stents clotted because he stopped his plavix and to never do that again.

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Re: please advise.. 3 heart attacks & stenosis

Post Number:#132  Post by jpoww » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:01 pm

ofonorow, my husband last july had a ejection fraction rate of 35%. In january of this year he started EECP Therapy for 35 days at an hour each session. He completed the the therapy last week and yesterday we went to the cardiologist to get an eco-cardiogram done and his EF rate is now down to 25%.
The cardiologist is sending us to another doctor to talk about pacemaker and what our options are. Please advise? my husband doesn't believe he needs a pacemaker but I'm on the fence because of what his eco cardiogram showed.

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Re: please advise.. 3 heart attacks & stenosis

Post Number:#133  Post by ofonorow » Sat Mar 15, 2014 9:10 am

I would rather have johnwen respond re the pacemaker. It would be helpful to summarize for review his current medications/strengths, as well as his supplement program. Unfortunately, this case sounds like my late brother Mike Till. The Pauling protocol deals with arterial clogging, and by reversing it, creating more blood flow to the heart and body. When a heart has deteriorated and become damaged, vitamin C and lysine are not going to rebuild the heart. My brother tried stem cell therapy, but unfortunately it is experimental, and since he didn't survive long, I cannot recommend it one way or the other.

I can give you a name of a cardiologist in Naperville Illinois. One of our employee's father had a very low ejection fraction that this cardiologist almost tripled. He did have a pacemaker implanted by this cardiologist. The father just passed at age 88.
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Re: please advise.. 3 heart attacks & stenosis

Post Number:#134  Post by Johnwen » Sat Mar 15, 2014 10:32 am

25% is Not Good by any means!
I have a few ideas but first I would like to know if you have a copy of his last echo report?
If you do, could you see if there is a E/A Ratio and E/E Ratio on it and let me know what they are.

First get him off them Da__ Statins!!!!!!
Search “Cardiac myopathy and statins,” to see why!

Get some protein drink like Muscle milk or EA or the one I like Pea Protein from Naturade, vegan formula. Get a flavor he likes and drinks. At least 20 Grams of Protein a day.

Get him off his butt and moving, walking, mild exercise, Cardiac Rehab etc.

When he sees his doc next time have him do a estradiol (E2) blood test.
Yes high estrogen in a male causes muscle breakdown.

Talk to his doc about getting on Bystolic (Nebivolol) instead of whatever beta blocker they have him on now. Drugs that Ends with (OLOL)

Search Aromatase Enzyme.

Did I mention get him off statins!!!

On the Effient I would say 150lbs. Or lower would be the cut in half point above that 10mg should be ok. Look for unprovoked hematoma’s ie: brusing without a injury (banging into something). If no he should be oK!
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Post Number:#135  Post by jpoww » Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:22 pm

Ofonorow, yes can you email me the name of the cardiologist in Illinois? my email address is [deleted]@williams.com.
Thank You

Johnwen, I will get a copy of this eco report next friday and let you know the ratio's. We have lowered his statins but maybe its time to lower them more.
He easily eats 20grams of protein a day and in addition supplements with amino acids.
He currently takes
40mg of lipator 3 days a week
20mg of lipator 4days a week
2.5mg of rampril
12.5 mg of metaporol
10mg of effient
He takes 26grams of vitamin c, 4packets of liposomal c, 6grams of lysine, 3grams of proline, Gplc carnitine, furmate carnitine, acetyl l-carnitine, amino acids, fish oils, d-ribose, taurine, glutamine, COQ10
I know his estradiol levels were a little high and the doctor gave him some nautral pill that blocks his production of estriodial and pushes him to increase his testerone.
I will mention to his doctor about the Bystolic

We were thinking stem cell research and Its getting to the point where we will consider to fly to naperville, illionis to see this cardiologist!


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