Vitamin C Forum

maybe this exlpains it
http://www.happyhealthylonglife.com/hap ... l-did.html

How does olive oil constrict blood vessels?: Dr. Vogel discovered back in 1999 that a high fat meal blocks the endothelium's ability to produce that all important NITRIC OXIDE, which is a vasodilator and critical to preserving the tone & health of our blood vessels. When olive oil constricts the blood vessels it's because it's blocking the production of nitric oxide. Not a good thing!

As I wrote in an earlier post, vitamin C protects endothelial function which would otherwise be impaired after a high-fat meal. Another piece of good news about vitamin C.

Blade, I am interested about the effects of caffeine on the endothelium. I had thought, as it seems you do also, that caffeine impaired endothelial function. But I recently came across a study that concluded drinking green tea boosted endothelial function. So now I wonder.

0-calorie green tea is a nice thing to drink when you are doing intermittent fasting.

89826 wrote:As I wrote in an earlier post, vitamin C protects endothelial function which would otherwise be impaired after a high-fat meal. Another piece of good news about vitamin C.

Blade, I am interested about the effects of caffeine on the endothelium. I had thought, as it seems you do also, that caffeine impaired endothelial function. But I recently came across a study that said drinking green tea boosted endothelial function. So now I wonder.

0-calorie green tea is a nice thing to drink when you are doing intermittent fasting.

green tea has a ton of fluoride, right? That isnt something I'd be all about

yes, I don't know about coffee at all....

This guy, pro-low fat, talks about dangers of coffee/caffenie
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Coffee_ ... ngers.aspx
I dont like his stuff, he reads abstracts and isnt scienctific, his goal seems to be to get you to click on his sites links

then good things about coffee
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Coffee.aspx

only thing I could find on pubmed is
CONCLUSIONS:

CC acutely induced unfavorable cardiovascular effects, especially on endothelial function. In the fasting state, insulin secretion is also likely reduced after CC ingestion. Future studies will determine whether CC has detrimental clinically relevant effects, especially in unhealthy subjects.


my take is sex..
you need your endothelium working great/good to get a boner(via nitrix oxide) and then have sex, right?
1 ever try to have sex after thanksgiving?
2 think it'd be easier to get a boner and have sex after french fries/burger/pie?
or
3 few pounds of broccoli/spinach/rhubarb/eggwhites?
(nitrates are what give you boners, via being reduced to nitrite and produce more NO)
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/1.full.pdf

so I know #3 is the answer
(sure, when you are younger, it won't matter, but as you age and damage accumulates and your hormones are ideal and your arteries are filled with calcium, it matters)

Is sex easy after coffee?
yeah, but I'm in my late 30s,


I know essytlyn and Forks over knifes talks about how a low fat diet means you still can have sex as you age on his
and Dr esselstyn, says Coffee is ok
http://www.choose-healthy-eating-for-li ... fMsxkZ3_fo

I'm not saying go vegan, but I think we have established eating fat hurts your body's ability to produce NO and that's a bad thing for NO does so many good things(

Blade, I just copied the whole summary instead of posting a link because I find it easier to follow a thread that way. You found a reference. Here's the link I used- a little longer summary of the same study: http://www.lifeextension.com/newsletter ... on/page-01

Both NIH links you posted say there is no association between fluoride consumption and cancer. They criticize the statistical analysis of the studies that do.

I am not quite the conspiracy theorist that some are. But people definitely respond to incentives- usually where the money is. Including medical researchers. First question one must always ask is, who paid for the study?

89826 wrote:I am not quite the conspiracy theorist that some are. But people definitely respond to incentives- usually where the money is. Including medical researchers. First question one must always is, who paid for the study?

right, who gets paid for the study
but lets go back more
do you have cavities? I bet you do, and I bet you drink flouridated water? so why do you have cavities? guess the flouride in water doesnt work
so who is paid to put floride in water?

at any rate, I'm not here to debate whether flouride is "good for you"
I drank water with flouride in it 30+ years and I have cavities even though Ibrush
yet the last few years,l stopped drinking flourided water, as best i can, and I have taken a better role in my dental hygiene(like adding AA in grams to my diet) water pic, and my teeth are better than ever


the topic is how to help/prevent endothelial dysfunction
green tea helps that, so use it, if you want

Nitric oxide is a magical molecule. How to prevent endothelial dysfunction? To summarize, don't eat foods which damage it.

What foods damage the endothelium? Ones with cholesterol, animal protein, and saturated fat. And oil. In other words eat plant foods.

89826 wrote:Nitric oxide is a magical molecule. How to prevent endothelial dysfunction? To summarize, don't eat foods which damage it.

What foods damage the endothelium? Ones with cholesterol, animal protein, and saturated fat. And oil. In other words eat plant foods.

exactly and if you must eat animal foods(like protein, etc) then eat some foods high in antioxidants, top foods high in antioxidants are:
Prunes. The deep taste and sticky, chewy texture of this dried fruit is high in antioxidants, as it is considered a cancer protector and a good source of vitamins. ...
Raspberries.
Cloves. ...
Strawberries. ...
Cranberries. ...
Walnuts. ...
Blueberries. ...
Pinto Beans.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/healing-foo ... iet-285370

89826 wrote:What foods damage the endothelium? Ones with cholesterol, animal protein, and saturated fat. And oil. In other words eat plant foods.

not just saturated, any fat

89826 wrote:
What foods damage the endothelium? Ones with cholesterol, animal protein, and saturated fat. And oil. In other words eat plant foods.

Blade wrote:not just saturated, any fat

Wait What!!
Really? I won't argue the oil part but I gotta say this makes no sense to me.
http://gamapserver.who.int/gho/interactive_charts/ncd/mortality/cvd/atlas.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_meat_consumption

Saw wrote:

89826 wrote:
What foods damage the endothelium? Ones with cholesterol, animal protein, and saturated fat. And oil. In other words eat plant foods.

Blade wrote:not just saturated, any fat

Wait What!!
Really? I won't argue the oil part but I gotta say this makes no sense to me.]

waiting?


what's going on? can I go now? or do you want to wait longer?

la de la
ok so
yes, why

go read post 30
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12087&p=41185&hilit=progenitor#p41185