German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

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Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

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Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

Post by ofonorow » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:36 am

Congrats on book.
As I must have said many times, if that Lp(a) score is measured correctly, it is even more reason to keep taking the Pauling/Rath lp(a) binding inhibitors.
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Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

Post by Frodo » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:10 am

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How much vitamin C, lysine and prolin do you take?
I take about 30 g vitamin V, 8 g lysine and 1,5 g proline.

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Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

Post by ofonorow » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:22 pm

I have reduced my intake over the years, so I generally take 1 or 2 scoops of Cardio-C - so between 3 and 6 grams of vitamin C, roughly the same lysine and about 1 gram of proline.

I also add some vitamin C powder - probably another 4 grams. (I used to take 9000, twice per day)

And alt doc found some studies with guinea pigs that seemed to show very high vitamin C may interfere with the HIPA axis - the signaling system that requests cortisol from the adrenals. Since something is interfering with my cortisol, I have tried lowering my vitamin C, so far, to no avail....

Now you are a good researcher, and you have European research at your fingertips :-) As you may or may not know, I have become enthralled with the "other worldly" information in print form by the so-called Medical Medium - Anthony William. In his fifth book, Celery Juice, he spends more time on vitamin C than the earlier books, and claims that the little vitamin C is celery juice is methylated, and thus does not have to be processed by the liver to be bioavailable.

Lots to digest there, and at least we found that ascorbic acid can be methylated in the test tube.

If, in fact, ascorbic acid has to be methylated by the liver before it can be absorbed into cells, this would be a revolutionary idea. If you find anything in your neck of the woods, I'd appreciate the reference. (Now that are other "high level" statements that the liver combines "certain" antioxidants with "amino acids" creating compounds that bring life back to cells.. Lots of thought provoking "stuff" to say the least.

I am currently on day 7 of the celery juice protocol, which it is said, can revive the adrenal glands to proper function... Time will tell.
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Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

Post by Frodo » Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:47 pm

Owen

What cortisol level do you have? And how was it measured? In blood or in saliva?

Did you ever have your dhea value and progesteron measured?

And last question: What are your values for amino acids (aminogram)?

My values:

cortisol (in saliva) 3020 pg/ml (too low/I think caused by meditation)

DHEA: 195 pg/ml (too low, I increased my dhea capsules)

Progesteron: 308 pg/ml (I take progesteron natural)

Aminogram: on top level.

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Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

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Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

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Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

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Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

Post by ofonorow » Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:55 am

Apparently, my condition varies from our former President, John F. Kennedy, who had full blown Addison's Disease - which is a total adrenal malfunction. My deficiency is in cortisol, and again, it is the only "essential" hormone, in that you cannot live more than 48 hours without it. My endocrinologist ran some blood tests, but not of any of the values you mentioned.

Again, the unearthly info focuses on adrenaline, and claims that our bodies produce various blends of adrenaline (depending on the emotion) and the number 56 comes to mind. It is also claimed that the adrenals produce many more substances than medical research and science has yet discovered. (The original myriad of substances/hormones were identified after adrenal glands were removed in breast cancer patients - trying to stop the estrogen production. These were the substances/hormones that caused death, if they were not replaced.)

In any event, nothing I have tried so far, including very high pantothenic acid (vitamin B5) has revitalized my adrenal function. I am going to give the celery juice a fair shot. And as I read, I find it interesting that this source blames kidney stones on a high-fat/high-protein diet, e.g. https://vitamincfoundation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14539
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Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

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Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

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Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

Post by ofonorow » Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:07 pm

Thanks. I have read David Browstein's IODINE and do supplement, but perhaps not as much as I should.
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Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

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Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

Post by Frodo » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:18 am

Sorry, correction: ... were also too weak (not wesk)

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Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

Post by ofonorow » Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:45 am

The Medical Medium has five text books, one devoted entirely to THYROID - which will be the last one I read. I started, and the claim early on is that conventional medicine has it mostly wrong, alternative medicine is a little better, but neither has a clue about what really goes wrong with the Thyroid gland. (Providing missing thyroid hormone does nothing to enhance and rejuvenate the health of the Thyroid.) The book claims that those who read the book will become experts by the time they have finished the book :-) I'll let you know....
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