I [for one] should be sick or dead [after personally ingesting over 900 pounds of it over the past 20 years] vs. experiencing the seemingly superior health that I am. True? Also, what of the seemingly "miraculous" results achieved by Dr. Cathcart [with many thousands of patients] using [typically] ascorbic acid alone? Those are real-world practical [vs. idealistic theoretical] results!FMC wrote:...ascorbic acid depletes the bodies real vitamin c and is a pro oxidant.
Nevertheless, Dr. Driskol of the Univ of Kansas, who did the definitive work on the mechanisms of action of ascorbic acid, even referred to it incorrectly as vitamin C. Even when she determined it was a pro-oxidant, not an anti oxidant (which is what the C molecule is.)
The University of Kansas Cancer Center wrote:
Does oral vitamin C (ascorbate) provide the same results?
No. Oral vitamin C is an antioxidant with controlled absorption. Intravenous vitamin C is a pro-oxidant drug that helps produce hydrogen peroxide, which targets neoplastic cells while leaving normal cells unharmed. Because this form is delivered intravenously, plasma and tissue levels are many times above that of oral dosing. - See more at: http://www.kumed.com/medical-services/i ... gENi0.dpuf
I would say they "try" because to not do so would call into question their highly cherished beliefs.FMW wrote:I just dont know why these people like to try and convince me I'm going to die from ascorbic acid.
It would be interesting to get his viewpoint on whether people that are on IV life-support, sometimes for years, are getting anything [for their vitamin C requirements] other than ascorbic acid/sodium [and/or another mineral] ascorbate in their nutritional fluid. It is my understanding they are not. If so, then why, if what he is saying is true, would they not be contracting scurvy?FMW wrote:Robert Thompson You will deplete your C. No reason to believe ascorbic acid has any health benefit. It is an antibiotic, so what if it helps suppress bad bacteria, so do antibiotics, rest assured, it is not C, you will get leaky gut, you will get plaque and leaky arteries, you will degenerate your joints and connective tissue. There is no good in it.
I wonder how he thinks I [for one] am not in serious health difficulties or dead [if his assertion is true], i.e. I [for one] should have "depleted" all of the "C" out of my body long ago? Again, "cherished" beliefs/theory(s) vs. real-world examples/results.]FMW wrote:Robert Thompson Dear Katie....Ascorbic acid will always deplete C.
Talk about not understanding "chemistry," i.e. electrons, e.g. ascorbic acid vs. dehydroascorbate!FMW wrote:...ascorbic acid...as vitamin C. Even when she determined it was a pro-oxidant, not an anti oxidant (which is what the C molecule is.)
I wonder who [or what] he is using [as his "authority"] for what constitutes or defines "vitamin C." My understanding is that Szent-Györgyi, who won the Nobel Prize for the "discovery" of vitamin C, would disagree with him, per:FMW wrote:The chemistry is not confusing. Ascorbic acid will never be vitamin C.
I suspect, Katie, that Mr. Thompson has far too much at stake, both personally and professionally/economically, to ever accept the reality of the situation. However, kudos to you for making the effort!...Albert Szent-Györgyi discovered the chemical ascorbic acid—also known as vitamin C... http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/educa ... orgyi.html
If large amounts of vitamin C are presented to cancer cells, large amounts will be absorbed. In these unusually large concentrations, the antioxidant vitamin C will start behaving as a pro-oxidant as it interacts with intracellular copper and iron. This chemical interaction produces small amounts of hydrogen peroxide.
Because cancer cells are relatively low in an intracellular anti-oxidant enzyme called catalase, the high dose vitamin C induction of peroxide will continue to build up until it eventually lyses the cancer cell from the inside out! This effectively makes high dose IVC a non-toxic chemotherapeutic agent that can be given in conjunction with conventional cancer treatments. Based on the work of several vitamin C pioneers before him, Dr. Riordan was able to prove that vitamin C was selectively toxic to cancer cells if given intravenously. This research was recently reproduced and published by Dr. Mark Levine at the National Institutes of Health.
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