Flawed study debunks Marik's Vitamin C sepsis "cure"

A discussion of Paul Marik's remarkable new therapy that cures a major killer in hospitals: Sepsis

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Flawed study debunks Marik's Vitamin C sepsis "cure"

Post by ofonorow » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:22 am

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/01/17/797058463/vitamin-treatment-for-sepsis-fails-in-large-trial

Vitamin Treatment For Sepsis Fails In Large Trial

Case closed. The financial viability of hospitals is preserved.

Seriously?


Indeed, Marik, who remains a strong proponent of this approach, rejects the findings of the study. He tells NPR that by his reckoning, patients in the study received treatment far too late in the course of their disease. "It's like giving it to a patient who's dead," he says. "It's of no benefit. The horse was out of the barn miles beforehand."

Marik, at Eastern Virginia Medical School, gives his patients the vitamin C infusion as quickly as he recognizes signs of sepsis. That's impossible to do in a study in which participants must be enrolled in a study and then randomized into one of the two comparison groups before treatment can begin.

"The question is, why does this study not replicate real-life experience and the experience of hundreds of clinicians around the world?" he asks.

Marik says in his experience, the treatment is only effective if given within six hours after someone has suspected sepsis. At the meeting in Belfast, Dr. Tomoko Fujii, on the study research team at Monash University, said they provided treatment an average of 12 hours after patients arrived in the intensive care unit. Patients came from a variety of locations, including the emergency room, and she said they have no information about how long they had been septic before arriving at the ICU.
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Re: Flawed study debunks Marik's Vitamin C sepsis "cure"

Post by C-can » Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:19 am

Thanks for posting this. One question I have is, even in the Marik study, 1.5 g every 6 hours? I k how it was effective, but If I have sepsis I don't want 1.5 g I want a 150!

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Re: Flawed study debunks Marik's Vitamin C sepsis "cure"

Post by Jacquie » Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:31 pm

It's incredible - and a testament to how effective vitamin C can be - that only 1.5 grams every 6 hours had as much effect as it did.

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Re: Flawed study debunks Marik's Vitamin C sepsis "cure"

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Re: Flawed study debunks Marik's Vitamin C sepsis "cure"

Post by ofonorow » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:33 am

Nutraingredients didn't waste anytime covering the rest of the story


"Ethically and morally unacceptable": Reaction to vitamin C for sepsis trial
https://www.nutraingredients.com/Article/2020/01/28/Ethically-and-morally-unacceptable-Reaction-to-vitamin-C-for-sepsis-trial#
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Re: Flawed study debunks Marik's Vitamin C sepsis "cure"

Post by cynthia386 » Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:10 pm

I started oral vitamin C as soon as I had a fever. It was only after 7 week and 6 visits to doctors and the ER for me to be diagnosed with sepsis. When I was admitted I had a fever of 104, a CRP of 58, and I couldn't walk. The doctors wanted to put me in a nursing home. But several weeks later when the hospital doctors saw me, they couldn't recognize me. They were looking for a sick person.

It is a good idea to take oral vitamin C at the first sign of a fever. But beware that it can mask problems so you don't get diagnosed.

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Re: Flawed study debunks Marik's Vitamin C sepsis "cure"

Post by OxC » Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:06 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF2ktY00dqs
If you can't watch it all, at least listen from minute 33 to about 60 as Dr. Marik very effectively describes why the VITAMINS study was flawed.
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Re: Flawed study debunks Marik's Vitamin C sepsis "cure"

Post by Saw » Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:19 pm

So the real headline isn't Vitamin Treatment For Sepsis Fails In Large Trial
but rather Small Dose of Vitamin C results in 34.78 Percent Reduction in Mortality
Welcome to reality Dr.Marik
Even a Blind Squirrel makes his own vitamin C.



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