German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success

[pamojja]

The challenge is she doesn't want. I knew a hundred ways how to counter pancreatic cancer. Though I can understand that she doesn't want to undertake such drastic measures, like an immediate fast, ketogenic diet, IVs, pancreatic enzymes, turkey tail or other supplements by the hand-full. But she even refuses an easy to take (because it only needs a speck of a tablet) immune booster like LDN. She is just happy to finally being able die for the reasons already mentioned above.

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[ofonorow]

Thanks to the book NIACIN: THE REAL STORY, by Hoffer, Saul, et. al., taking the right amount of Niacin is important, whether or not it provides any other added benefits visa via Lp(a) and heart disease.

Hoffer used to match his vitamin C and Niacin dosage recommendations (from his other books.) In his book about Cancer and Vitamin C, which is a collection of case reports, I believe his general recommendations were 6 g ascorbate and 6 g niacin.

For those readers who don't know, it was Hoffer's book on using high doses of Niacin to treat schizophrenia that opened the eyes of Linus Pauling, creating his interest that led to orthomolecular medicine. How, Pauling wondered, could a substance that was so physiologically powerful that a spec could cure a deficiency disease, e.g. pellegra, be taken at doses several orders of magnitude larger (e.g. 18 grams) and not have any toxic effects?

Hoffer explains his theory in NIACIN: THE REAL STORY, i.e., that perhaps 1/3 of the population has a genetic defect that causes mental problems, and that some dosage of Niacin corrects.

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[ofonorow]

Not a stupid question, or at least it is a question I personally have trouble answering

There are tests for vitamin C blood levels.. If we think of kidneys as a bucket with a hole near the top (thank you Drs. Hickey and Saul) then when vitamin C levels are below the level of the hole (e.g. between 0 and 1.5 mg/dl) we have some idea of vitamin C "status." (When we take more and fill the "bucket" up more than the hole, the extra is quickly eliminated via the kidneys/urine.)

If cells require vitamin C they will extract it from the blood. If it is not resupplied, the blood level declines. We know from Cathcart that when ill or under stress, our tissues can extract massive amounts of the vitamin from the blood.

So the closer blood levels are to 1.5 mg/dl - the more saturated are our tissues and the better our vitamin C status is.

The Dynamic Flow theory (e.g. 30 minute half-life) indicates that at some level of consistent intake, the blood level can be kept at or near the hole (1.5 mg/dl), perhaps 500 mg every 4 hours.

[pamojja]

[Frodo]

OK and thank you Owen.

But that only makes sense if I take VC and want to check how it works out. And I should have done it just in time. But during my stay at the clinic there was no VC. Only bad clinic nutrition. Therefore I think that it makes no sense to measure it.

[ofonorow]

Well, your doctor might learn something if you -- who takes such a large amount-- shows low on a blood test

There is an oxidative stress test (that measure GSH I believe) that may be an indicator. Boyd Haley told us that only vitamin C can regenerate or increase GSH levels in cells. So if your oxidative stress is low, you could infer your vitamin C status within cells is good.

We might be able to invent some kind of loading test, along the lines of the Jaffe Cleanse, to evaluate how much (and fast) vitamin C is entering tissues, as a measure of current status.

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[ofonorow]

No, and would be quite interested in what that means. If you find out, tell us or provide a link. Thank you!

I was surprised not too many years ago when a forum member contacted Life Extension advisors about Lp(a) and they had additional information that carnitine (in addition to vitamin C and Niacin) had experimental evidence showing it lowered Lp(a) levels. Fortunately, we learn something new every day

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