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Posted: **Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:10 pm**

ofonorow wrote:What else, here is my challenge to Saw, read Judy MikoVitz's PLAGUE OF CORRUPTION and then tell me with a straight face there are no such things as viruses or retroviruses.

Mikovitz vs Kaufman round 2
Doesn't really get going till after the first hour
This is a train wreck btw, Judy is all over the place back pedaling on viruses
she doesn't believe in germ theory or viruses - only the ones made in a lab? and they have to be injected in you to work.
I think it's a mostly a matter of perspective replace "virus" with "poison" when she talks
and she starts to sound somewhat coherant. It's all falling apart and she knows it.

Posted: **Tue Sep 13, 2022 12:47 pm**

your (sounds uneducated) opinion.

Posted: **Tue Sep 13, 2022 5:30 pm**

Saw wrote:I think it's a mostly a matter of perspective replace "virus" with "poison" when she talks
and she starts to sound somewhat coherant. It's all falling apart and she knows it.

Very educating how she indeed always was only caught in circulatory reasoning: because lab-made retroviruses exist, therefore they exist. And when asked for only 1 paper without such circulatory reasoning, she immetiately counterattacked: she wouldn't owe it to Andrew, for getting judged by him!?! (Duh.. it wasn't even about her.. It was about him agreeing to immediately changeing his opinion, if 1 such paper existed)

I really appreciate controversal discussions with that intelligent persons, who never loose each others respect, and don't turn to ad hominems without any evidence in hand, but honesty. Judy isn't that intelligent. And no. she doesn't knows, because if one does, one couldn't overscream everyone else as she did.

The host was very skillful in ending the discussion, in that the overarching concern for each of us is injecting poison into 6 months olds. Wich everyone can agree. Andrew and Judy too, at last.

The proof of existence of viruses or its lack is just too inconsquental for an agnostic. Since to know how to fight virus or poison associated illnesses is all which counts at the end of the day. But I am interested in the display of integrity, or lack of. That's the field where most still have to learn.

Posted: **Tue Sep 13, 2022 9:32 pm**

ofonorow wrote:your (sounds uneducated) opinion.

That's a very powerful rebuttal.
Reminds me of the response I received from Dr.Fleming.
I sent him the control studies from Lanka showing CPE (cytopathic effect - the "proof" viruses replicate) occurs
with or without a sick persons fluid sample added to the experiment.
His reply was - "Viruses exist, god bless you"
Simply Brilliant, I was in awe.
Then I request he post a link to evidence of his claim. - No response (so surprised).
Surely one virus believer could post one convincing argument at this point. I mean, there's an entire massive mountain of evidence to choose from!

pamojja wrote:The proof of existence of viruses or its lack is just too inconsquental for an agnostic. Since to know how to fight virus or poison associated illnesses is all which counts at the end of the day.

For me I agree entirely, but the willfully ignorant masses will take us down with them.
Also it's not just the validity of the virus theory. Even if viruses did exist as described the entire virology/vaccine complex has proven
itself a joke and could never be trusted again.

Posted: **Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:23 am**

Saw wrote:For me I agree entirely, but the willfully ignorant masses will take us down with them.
Also it's not just the validity of the virus theory. Even if viruses did exist as described the entire virology/vaccine complex has proven itself a joke and could never be trusted again.

Well, that is how civilisations do end. Just take my only PCR-positive Covid (delta). Only a running nose on a monday evening, on wednesday a negative quick-test, on thursday a 'positive' PCR at 36 thresshold cycles (where everybody knew above 20 is meaningless). - Put in to 10-day quarantine and thereby human rights taken away - but best: liberated through an other PCR by a result above 30 cycling thresshold.

That's about the stupidity of top virologist who advised our politicians: With a PCR of 36 your human rights are stripped, but some magical 5 days later with a PCR 7 threshold-cycles less liberated again!?!

Beyond comprehension. About a year latter only, a week ago, I had the next running-nose evening again. That is how well a broadly supported immune-system handles this joke of a 'virus'. Even with all the co-morbitities, which should have brought me to my grave. No vaccines, no sickness-leave since 16 years (a 3 day feverish cold then).

My workingplace - a homeless shelter - showed it impressively (about 30 co-worker). All vaccinated got it at least twice with severe symptoms, one of them for 2 months in a hosipital for treatment against long covid now (Incidentally the only one who attacked me for refusing to vaccinate..). The few non-vaccinated nothing more than sniffles. All of our many more homeless guests, nothing.

Posted: **Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:40 am**

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Posted: **Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:20 am**

Saw wrote:
ofonorow wrote:your (sounds uneducated) opinion.

That's a very powerful rebuttal.
Reminds me of the response I received from Dr.Fleming.
I sent him the control studies from Lanka showing CPE (cytopathic effect - the "proof" viruses replicate) occurs
with or without a sick persons fluid sample added to the experiment.
His reply was - "Viruses exist, god bless you"
Simply Brilliant, I was in awe.
Then I request he post a link to evidence of his claim. - No response (so surprised).
Surely one virus believer could post one convincing argument at this point. I mean, there's an entire massive mountain of evidence to choose from!

.

First of all, shooting the messenger (Judy Mikovitz) is not an argument. She's a lab technician, not even a medical doctor.

The arguments against viruses are phony.

Lets assume that what we call viruses are "poisons" - are they alive? Do these poisons multiply? How are these poisons transmitted from person to person? Are they smaller than bacteria? Can poisons be killed by ultraviolet light? Can poisons sit dormant in tissue until something triggers it to become active - and multiply? (Herpes after chicken pox). Soon the difference between your poisons and what are called viruses (that use parts of our RNA/DNA to multiply and spread) become indistinguishable.

Again, if you have seen Dr. Tent's lecture It's Not Autoimmune - It's Viruses, and studied his references, you'd know that not only do viruses and retoviruses exist, but that it is in our Government's great interest that the population doesn't find out about the early vaccine research. Research that infected the entire vaccinated population with these "monkey" retroviruses that caused massive cancers.

And again, if you are willing to read the advanced (ancient) science about the history of viruses on Earth, you would become educated.

Posted: **Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:40 am**

Cold and flu season is now into it's 15th month in Australia (normal is about 3 months)
With massive deaths (relative). These are only "CV19" shown would like to see the all cause.
https://covid19.who.int/region/wpro/country/au

RECRUITING 13 year olds to join the workforce
Is this vax mandate related or death/illness

Posted: **Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:18 pm**

ofonorow wrote:
First of all, shooting the messenger (Judy Mikovitz) is not an argument. She's a lab technician, not even a medical doctor.

You've been pushing her as an authority on viruses.

The arguments against viruses are phony.

You think the control experiments are fakes?

Lets assume that what we call viruses are "poisons" - are they alive?

They aren't poisons, they are cellular debris and maybe cellular building blocks and they do not appear to be alive.
The items they claim as viruses in their CPE experiments are broken down cells.
Those like Judy that believe they are injecting viruses into people is because they can see the CPE (cytopathic effect) and
assume them viruses. Starving Cells will produce the same effect.

Do these poisons multiply? How are these poisons transmitted from person to person? Are they smaller than bacteria? Can poisons be killed by ultraviolet light? Can poisons sit dormant in tissue until something triggers it to become active - and multiply? (Herpes after chicken pox). Soon the difference between your poisons and what are called viruses (that use parts of our RNA/DNA to multiply and spread) become indistinguishable.

No one is claiming viruses are poison. Poison kills cells, they break down into the particles what they think are viruses.
Why? because that's what they've been trained to believe.

I will try to make this as simple and clear as I can

Poison kills Cells
Dead Cells break down into smaller particles
They call these particles viruses
Then assume there must have been a virus to begin with
Even though they cannot find a virus before the experiment in the aledged infectious material.

Lets put it another way...
1 - They take your lung fluid - they cant see any virus in it
2 - they mix it with cells,antibiotics,cow serum etc
3 - the cells break down to smaller particles after time
4 - they conclude (1)your lung fluid must have had a virus because now they see all these particles they call viruses and no control experiment ever

That's what virologist Lanka is showing here
The control experiment they refuse to do

When you can fully understand what is happening here, you will better understand the anti virus position.

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2022 10:16 am**

They aren't poisons, they are cellular debris and maybe cellular building blocks and they do not appear to be alive.
The items they claim as viruses in their CPE experiments are broken down cells.
Those like Judy that believe they are injecting viruses into people is because they can see the CPE (cytopathic effect) and
assume them viruses. Starving Cells will produce the same effect.

These arguments are maddening to real scientists because they assume a result and find fact to fit them. Certainty viruses kill cells, so there will be remnants.

You avoid the real issuse. I was using "poison" because your argument did, or so I thought.

So your argument is more that "something" kills a cell, and that the remnants are what we call viruses? Is that the argument?

So what is the "something"? Again, how does this model fit the obvious questions?

Do these "poisons" multiply?
How are these "poison"s transmitted from person to person?
Are they smaller than bacteria?
Can "poisons" be killed by ultraviolet light?
Can they sit dormant in tissue until something triggers it to become active - and multiply? (e.g. Herpes after chicken pox).
Can these agents use our own RNA/DNA to multiply and spread?

No one is claiming viruses are poison. Poison kills cells, they break down into the particles what they think are viruses.
Why? because that's what they've been trained to believe.

I am confused. So how does the agent you are claiming cause disease different from the commonly accepted definition of a virus (or retrovirus)?

Posted: **Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:39 pm**

ofonorow wrote:
So your argument is more that "something" kills a cell, and that the remnants are what we call viruses? Is that the argument?

yes

So what is the "something"? Again, how does this model fit the obvious questions?

could be anything, there is no contagion or self replicating anything. Whats in the current injections
glycol, graphene, heavy metals, etc... likely all toxic to cells. Who's filling the hospitals with a viral (dead cell) load?
Could even be natural since cells die off all the time, the body might even decide to rebuild en mass
at certain times. (cold and flu season perhaps)

Do these "poisons" multiply?

not likely?

How are these "poison"s transmitted from person to person?

They don't, unless shedding is real (I doubt it personaly)

am confused. So how does the agent you are claiming cause disease different from the commonly accepted definition of a virus (or retrovirus)?

There is no agent, there's an infinite number of ways to kill a cell
Is this study making sense to you now? (their hypothesis isn't important)
Important part in bold, EMF is just another form of poison.

5G Technology and induction of coronavirus in skin cells

In this research, we show that 5G millimeter waves could be absorbed by dermatologic cells acting like antennas, transferred to other cells and play the main role in producing Coronaviruses in biological cells. DNA is built from charged electrons and atoms and has an inductor-like structure. This structure could be divided into linear, toroid and round inductors. Inductors interact with external electromagnetic waves, move and produce some extra waves within the cells. The shapes of these waves are similar to shapes of hexagonal and pentagonal bases of their DNA source. These waves produce some holes in liquids within the nucleus. To fill these holes, some extra hexagonal and pentagonal bases are produced. These bases could join to each other and form virus-like structures such as Coronavirus. To produce these viruses within a cell, it is necessary that the wavelength of external waves be shorter than the size of the cell. Thus 5G millimeter waves could be good candidates for applying in constructing virus-like structures such as Coronaviruses (COVID-19) within cells.
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Posted: **Fri Sep 16, 2022 11:18 am**

there is no contagion or self replicating anything

So explain what you think happens during the fall/winter/early spring... every year, when people start to get sick with flu and colds? (We selling vitamin C notice this phenomenon, because while sales of vitamin C start to decline in late spring, early summer, our sales go through the roof as fall/winter approaches. ) How does your theory explain this phenomenon? Sickness increasing in the winter.

For myself, this was unexplainable before understanding the effect vitamin D has on the immune system. (Thank you Weston Price Foundation)

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