Re: Is Corona just the cover story

Saw · Post by **Saw** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:03 am

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Saw · Post by **Saw** » Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:50 pm

ofonorow wrote:So the theory you subscribe to is that some kind of electrical effect causes flu epidemics? Is that right? I'll leave that alone.

Nope, I don't subscribe to any theories. But the connection looks pretty clear as one of many probable causes.
Emf is poison, any poison could cause cells to die off producing the symptoms known as the flu.
Chemo would be another example of something poisoning cells resulting in flu like symptoms.
Factory food could have the same effect.
Certainly not limited to one singular cause.

Virology is a false theory - Interview with Dr. Stephan Lanka (Virologist)

Lots of info here plus he covers the soon to be published phase 2 of the control experiments

Post by **ofonorow** » Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:09 am

Missing from your list are the "poisons" that are deliberately introduced via vaccines, e.g. retroviruses, parasites, magnetic bacteria, graphene?

The gentleman "virologist" starts off with an incorrect statement, that science is an attempt to "Prove something." Other than pure mathematics (and medical pseudo science) there are merely theories in science, nothing is proven.

Granted, PCR testing as used to test for Covid has been a fraud. even our corrupt CDC agrees.

And he seems to agree that viruses (or spores) are sequences of DNA (or RNA for retroviruses) that require our own genome to reproduce.

Even if Covid-sars-co2 is "fabricated," implying the sequence does not or cannot exist, he does not explain how this finding invalidates that field of virology? Other than repeating the words "unscientific" a absurdiam..

These arguments are about corruption in science and medicine, but not arguments against virology, per se. Maybe the language issue makes it hard to understand his point.

A thought, where are the control experiments showing that poisoning (killing) cells creates infectious disease? Diseases that are transmitted between humans, versus diseases that are only transmitted among different species, and the few diseases that can jump from animal to human, and visa versa?

So lets consider the anti-virals, e.g. ivermectin, HCQ, and even vitamin C and lysine. We have (think we have) known since Klenner in the 1940s that IV/C could control (cure) Polio (thought to be a virus How do these anti-virals work then, if not to inactivate a virus, or a fungal spore? What we think we know is that whatever is causing the common cold, EBOLA, flu, AIDS, etc. is a thousand times smaller than a typical bacteria. The disease requires proximity, to be transmitted from one person to another. The anti-virals seem to work, in conjunction with zinc, by allowing zinc inside the cell which can block the reproduction of... what?

The history is that early in the history of the "germ" theory, filters showed that something much smaller than a bacteria could travel through filters that would catch bacteria and cause infection in lab animals. The speaker talking about the tobacco virus implies that you have to filter something out, which on its face is impossible with something as small as a virus (or fungal spore.)

I'm sorry this discussion doesn't invalidate the field of virology.

Saw · Post by **Saw** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:19 am

ofonorow wrote:Missing from your list are the "poisons" that are deliberately introduced via vaccines, e.g. retroviruses, parasites, magnetic bacteria, graphene?

Yes and many more. And that's why myself and others have said the Delta variant was the injection itself (poisoning)
Even the scientists like Vandenbosch knew (predicted) this was going to happen! It's the interpretation of the event. If you live in
the viral world the mind will make the event fit in that world!

The gentleman "virologist" starts off with an incorrect statement, that science is an attempt to "Prove something." Other than pure mathematics (and medical pseudo science) there are merely theories in science, nothing is proven.

One of the things Lanka stresses in many interviews is the job of scientists is to disprove themselves which he says virologists never do.
Always an absence of control experiments.

Granted, PCR testing as used to test for Covid has been a fraud. even our corrupt CDC agrees.

And it's considered the gold standard in virology - Kary Mullis was adamant it could not be used to detect any disease!

Even if Covid-sars-co2 is "fabricated," implying the sequence does not or cannot exist, he does not explain how this finding invalidates that field of virology? Other than repeating the words "unscientific" a absurdiam..

The whole of virology and medicine are complicit in this, what makes you think it's any different for any other virus?
The emperor has no cloths, the entire machine is decloaked, take a good look while you can.

These arguments are about corruption in science and medicine, but not arguments against virology, per se. Maybe the language issue makes it hard to understand his point.

He is debunking the experiments that virologists use as proofs one by one. When there's no science left whats left?
Yes it takes some time to adjust to his accent, I initially found it easier to follow him with just audio.

A thought, where are the control experiments showing that poisoning (killing) cells creates infectious disease? Diseases that are transmitted between humans, versus diseases that are only transmitted among different species, and the few diseases that can jump from animal to human, and visa versa?

infectious disease is unproven see here...
These are pretty extreme viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14806&start=195#p58035
and viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14806&start=195#p58040
They even tried with horses, putting a heavy bag over a sick horses head then making it sneeze and placing the
infected bag over healthy horse heads - all failing to infect.
Massive contagion fail.
And if you want to make the claim the unsick(asymptomatic) are spreading the virus.
The answer is no, WHO say asymptomatic do not infect others, Dr.Simone Gold even sites
a study recently done in China where they followed either 1 or 10 million asymptomatic
people and of all the people they came in contact with - Zero became ill!

So lets consider the anti-virals, e.g. ivermectin, HCQ, and even vitamin C and lysine. We have (think we have) known since Klenner in the 1940s that IV/C could control (cure) Polio (thought to be a virus How do these anti-virals work then, if not to inactivate a virus, or a fungal spore? What we think we know is that whatever is causing the common cold, EBOLA, flu, AIDS, etc. is a thousand times smaller than a typical bacteria. The disease requires proximity, to be transmitted from one person to another. The anti-virals seem to work, in conjunction with zinc, by allowing zinc inside the cell which can block the reproduction of... what?

Vitamin C is easy, thanks to the brilliant Dr.Levy - How does Vitamin C work? It enters the cell and cleans it out! Simple! Clean, healthy cells don't die!
Pretty sure Anti Virals do nothing(remember tamiflu? $$$$), but anti parasites like CDS maybe they work similar to C or just good at binding and
removing bad guys? Kalker describes HCQ as a dirty(patentable) version of CDS. Not sure of ivermectin but believe it has something to
do with the chloride channel if my memory is working, so maybe similar?
The common cold I think is a natural clense of the outer organs = lungs,nasal - they see the most pollution and require frequent maintenance.

I'm sorry this discussion doesn't invalidate the field of virology.

No, but it invalidates the science. Like mentioned above...
He is debunking the experiments that virologists use as proofs one by one. When there's no science left what remains?

Post by **ofonorow** » Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:12 pm

It dawned on me why "your side" claims that their are no "controlled" experiments.

Your side claims that what is needed "scientifically" is to filter the virus, and then take the filtered extract and use it to cause an infection.

That is impossible. Viruses (fungal spores) are so small, a thousand times smaller than an average bacteria, that it is impossible to filter a virus.

Viruses were discovered because when early scientists filtered bacteria, they discovered that something made it through the filters, and this left over DID/DOES cause infection.

These days, the Covid hoax is confusing the argument, but this scammy Covid-cov2 plandemic does not invalidate all the work investigating viruses.

Denying science doesn't gain your side any points. Here is the work of one scientist, the close associate of Judy Mikovitz, who discovered the first retrovirus (which are RNA viruses that use reverse transcriptase to reproduce). Probably 15 to 20 years AFTER they were discovered in the secret military bioweapons program.

Ruscetti, Francis W.

Human Retrovirus Effects on Blood Cells

https://grantome.com/grant/NIH/Z01-BC010252-06

Note the LONG list of scientific references at the bottom.

Even more interesting is the 2 hour Tent lecture "Its Not Auto-immune, its Viruses" that provides a primer on how viruses (in vaccines) were discovered, and how viruses and other pathogens are being used as bioweapons. and what condition/disease various viruses cause. This is quite an education on virology.

Take a few minutes and simply go to minute 2:02:50, 2:04:16 and especially 2:06:21 - i.e., the list of bioweapons. You can pause to see the list of viruses in that were studied in the bioweapons program

https://youtu.be/r8FCJ_VPyns?t=7375

It is a very the LONG list of viruses that this program has used or had a hand developing,

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Post by **ofonorow** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 1:22 pm

Sorry I cannot resist. The virology-deniers crowd maintains that viruses have not been isolated and not shown to cause disease. Turns out this claim is false. While Judy Mikovitz is a brilliant researcher with a PhD, she was a technician when the first retrovirus was "isolated". The scientist was Dr. Francis W. Ruscetti. On page 65 of their book ENDING PLAGUE, Ruscetti writes

Meanwhile, as we worked on the isolation of the retrovirus in our lab, it was difficult to maintain cultures because the retrovirus caused the cells to die at a rapid rate...

Finally, we used a clone of the human T-cell line Hut-78, which could support virus production and allow us to grow enough of the virus so we could characterize it.

Our breakthrough was to show we could first infect primary human T-cells with this virus, then showed we could tranmit the virus to the Hut-78 cell line.

This clearly showed the LAV virus (as named by Novelist Montagnier - and later renamed HIV) was infectious AND transmissible.

Saw · Post by **Saw** » Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:45 pm

ofonorow wrote:Sorry I cannot resist. The virology-deniers crowd maintains that viruses have not been isolated and not shown to cause disease. Turns out this claim is false. While Judy Mikovitz is a brilliant researcher with a PhD, she was a technician when the first retrovirus was "isolated". The scientist was Dr. Francis W. Ruscetti. On page 65 of their book ENDING PLAGUE, Ruscetti writes

I appreciate your enthusiasm.

Were these virus's grown in the same manner Lanka proved to be fraudulent as shown in Control Study #1 ?
Is there a paper?

That is impossible. Viruses (fungal spores) are so small, a thousand times smaller than an average bacteria, that it is impossible to filter a virus.

So I guess your recanting this statement? Otherwise Isolation from experiment above is a problem.

Denying science doesn't gain your side any points.

Who's denying science?
It's the Anti Virus camp that are performing all the control experiments that Virologist either won't do - or won't publish.

Why do you ignore the Spanish Flu Studies where they couldn't infect a single person? Did you read them? They were pretty extreme.
And this was the deadliest and most contagious of all flu's!!!

Even more interesting is the 2 hour Tent lecture "Its Not Auto-immune, its Viruses" that provides a primer on how viruses (in vaccines) were discovered, and how viruses and other pathogens are being used as bioweapons. and what condition/disease various viruses cause. This is quite an education on virology.

I have no doubt these people Sincerely believe what they're preaching. Having said that I'm sure they all believe there's a virus called Covid19.
So why would I take any of them seriously?
As pointed out before if they could weaponize a virus there would be no need to pretend.

Did you know heart disease is caused by cholesterol and statins are the cure? I could send you 100,000 papers.

Anyway as Kaufman says, it's a process and takes time. If you start to compare the two theories the picture gets clearer.
For me when first exposed to this idea 20 months ago I thought it unlikely, after about a year I find the virus theory the unlikely one.
Why do people around me never get sick when I am?
Why don't I get sick when they are?
I've questioned family and others I'm around daily and none can recall an instance where we are both ill at the same time.
Why do I catch a cold when out in cold wet weather?
Why don't vaccines work without the adjuvent(poison)
You can inject the "live" virus without the heavy metals (adjuvent) and nothing will happen.

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