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I've tried it at dosages of 5-10g when I feel the virus coming on, but no help from Lysine at all
ofonorow wrote:I've tried it at dosages of 5-10g when I feel the virus coming on, but no help from Lysine at all
The reason you see lysine in every drug store is because of research at the University of Chicago that found lysine to be a strong anti-viral. Instead of trying to use it after you begin to feel the outbreak (should be using vitamin C like this), why not take a smaller, regular dose of lysine every day? A dose of prevention. (You'll also protect yourself from future heart problems!)
Jacquie wrote:Are you taking vitamin C to bowel tolerance? C isn't one-size-fits-all; luckily your bowel tolerance will tell you what your body needs on a day-to-day basis. Some people have high toxin loads, or allergies, or other large drains on their C levels, and for them 15 or 20 grams of SA, AA, or even lypo, won't be enough.
But lysine really is the key to suppressing herpes viruses (and only herpes viruses, according to the evidence I've seen). It's just that, like all things, the dose really matters. Consider vitamin C: 1 gram a day won't cure a cold, but higher doses will. And it's not only the size of the dose, but the frequency. Like C, you have to dose lysine correctly, if you want it to work against herpes outbreaks.
You said you took 5-10 grams - is that all at once? Spread out over several days? Also, as Owen said, you might need a maintenance dose to prevent outbreaks. Lysine certainly won't hurt you - it's an essential amino acid.
Is it true SA is only 1/2 as potent as AA in terms of what it does for your body? and what about too much AA making your body acidic? that's the main reason I have been using SA over AA.
Also I have read on tons of herpes boards etc that high long term lysine dosage (i think like 2-3g+ per day) for months/years can cause liver damage or something like that?
Johnwen wrote:After reading through this post he seems to voice a concern over turning the body acidic and I would just like to add to this.
Your stomach acid is 100 times stronger then any acorbic acid on the market and your body does quite well handling it. The bulk of the supplement is then also neutrilized with any liquid you consume with it which also lowers it's potential.
If this seems to be a concern his doctor can do an Aion Gap. Which I'm sure will show no elevations.
Sodium in SA is used as a transpoter into the body. Perhaps doing some reasearch into SVCT's would set him on the right path in this concern.
I take my VC after I eat and been doing it for 12 years with a total consumption of 4Grams L-Lysine and my liver is fine. Haven't had any variation in emzynes in the last 10 years.
I'll let Owen answer your direct questions but personally I would pay attention to the foods you consume, Healthy Isn't Always Healthy!!!
If you read Pauling's History you'd find out that he wasn't suppose to live past forty but made it to 93. Maybe he knew something about his body that made SA a better choice??
Perhaps. But we don't know for sure. There aren't the scientific studies to answer this conclusively. We CAN make educated guesses of course; the work of Klenner, Cathcart and Levy in this area certainly help in this regard.blueleaf1 wrote:...but it was more a concern of if I was making a mistake mega dosing SA all these months when I could have probably had better results with AA.
Perhaps Pauling was concerned about oral unbuffered ascorbic acid rotting away his teeth. This is a known risk that every vitamin C user should be aware of.I mean I just don't see the benefit of SA as outlined above if AA is more potent/does nothing for acidity.
Hey John,
Its not a huge concern about turning the body acidic (as now I've heard a few of you talk about how AA effects PH in urine, not really in your body... I think I've read that before but also read about Pauling buffering and thought in my head well he must have known something)
but it was more a concern of if I was making a mistake mega dosing SA all these months when I could have probably had better results with AA. I mean I just don't see the benefit of SA as outlined above if AA is more potent/does nothing for acidity.
According to Robert Cathcart,MD, the physician with vast experience with high dose vitamin C protocols, mineral ascorbates are generally not as effective therapeutically as ascorbic acid:
"...it was not entirely clear that the dramatic effects are always with ascorbic acid orally and sodium ascorbate intravenously. I have not been able to achieve the ascorbate effect with mineral ascorbates orally. Mineral ascorbates are fine forms of vitamin C but when you are really sick, the mitochondria are failing in their refueling of the free radical scavengers with electrons. The ascorbic acid carries 2 extra electrons per molecule where the mineral ascorbates seem to carry only one (plus per molecule the mineral ascorbates are heavier due to the mineral weighing more than the hydrogen the mineral replaces). So the mineral ascorbates are not potent enough to accomplish the ascorbate effect. There may be other reasons that we do not appreciate additionally." Robert Cathcart, III, MD
Andrew Hall Cutler wrote:If you have trouble with viruses (e.g. herpes of any form, long colds) take 1/2 gram of lysine with each meal and also take inositol routinely.
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