Questions about my plan of attack?

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Re: Questions about my plan of attack?

Post Number:#31  Post by blade » Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:46 am

I finally have bought my 12 bottles of DMSO, $30 8 oz bottle (jacob lab)
I'm taking 1 oz a day and hopefully that will appease my BPH issues, I might have?
Help me...I'm not sure what else, Reese, the lady from jacobs lab, said DMSO was predominantly used for pain.
I don't have much pain, and I'm not using it topically(I did hurt my left shoulder in the gym, so maybe that will get to be pain free because of DMSO, I've hurt it before)
...although maybe I should get some topically and apply it to my prostate?
Or get the Progesterone cream that was mentioned...

I'm curious about what results I'll see from this stuff..
I want to be able to give my Dad something tangible to get him to use it, but I'm not sure it does anything, Much like the PT, I do it, do I see any changes? no, but my mom did, clearing of her bruises, and it just makes sense why it should be done(take a few grams of VC, like animals)

I don't exactly have proof this stuff works or does anything, but I see no harm in trying.

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Re: Questions about my plan of attack?

Post Number:#32  Post by blade » Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:19 am

My dmso is here
I'm unsure how to measure out the DMSO, Im planning on taking 1 oz a day
I'll pour it into a glass measuring up, then add organic Pomegrante juice to dilute, then drink,
I bought my DMSO from Jacobs lab, but the label says DO NOT INGEST
any advice is appreciated!

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Re: Questions about my plan of attack?

Post Number:#33  Post by blade » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:24 am

I am now taking my DSMO from Jacobs labs
I take about 1oz(30ml) with juice(pomegranate)
Im on day 3.

I think that's how to take it

Im working to get to a low bodyfat percentage(10-15%)
I summed up my plan of action here
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11635&p=39005#p39005
I want to prevent cancer and CAD and have better sex......

any thoughts about my plan?

Currently taking 7grams VC with a lot more distilled water.
No prostate issues anymore. I don't know for sure the 2 issues( prostate issues and VC with less water) were related

I am now taking DSMO, about 1 oz daily.
I take I have pour some pomegrante juice, add in my DSMO(from Jacobs lab) and then add some water
The stuff tastes unpleasant, I am not sure how to describe it, but it's not great,

I have a pretty nice routine, I'd appreciate comments on it
Goal is to get down to about 15% bodyfat and have clean arteries(no plaques)

overview:
I walk about 5-10miles a day(quantified by my fitbit)
I lift weights 3 days a week
I eat 2 times a day
get about 10grams VC a day
1-2oz DSMO/day

Meal 1
Shake
1/2 grapefruit
100grams eggwhites
1/2 onion
1lb brocccoli
spinach
tumeric
2-4 garlic cloves
capers
lots of rhubarb
few pumpkin seeds
1 brazil nut
bite of avacado
coffee

Meal 2
50-100grams eggwhites
1lb broccoli
mixed fruit
spinach
mixed veggies(add sea salt)
lots of baby carrots
half grapefruit
bell peppers
red peppers
few pumpkin seeds
1 brazil nut
bite of avacado


Snack
orange
coffee

supplments
DSMO
VC
lysine
mg
K
niacin
EFAs
B vitamins


I went without shakes for a while and I noticed I had more solid waste and undigested veggies/fruit in my waste
I have read Dr Russell L. Blaylock, Md who talks much about the benefits of blending...so I use a vitamix and toss in those ingredients listed and blend to a liquid and consume

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Re: Questions about my plan of attack?

Post Number:#34  Post by blade » Tue Mar 17, 2015 8:09 am

I am part of a different forum which isnt the best forum, as their science is often wrong, and the forum owner is not neutral on several issues where his bias makes him reach conclusions using emotions and not logic.

at any rate, he claims ED issues can be caused by atherosclerosis/fatty buildup in the penile arteries, leading to inability of NO to properly function, ie no boners.

I thought atherosclerosis only happened in arteries under high pressure?
maybe penile arteries are under high pressure?

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Re: Questions about my plan of attack?

Post Number:#35  Post by ofonorow » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:44 am

I may be wrong, but I believe Viagra was original developed as a heart medication - and then they began to notice what was happening :D

There is such a thing as "peripheral arterial disease" (or PAD) and if blood flow is diminished, that problem may play a role in ED. (And we've notice that people who suffer PAD are not as responsive, or even non responsive, to Pauling's vitamin C and lysine therapy... In an old book, Roger J. Williams recommended magnesium for PAD.)

If ED is the issue, then high doses of the amino acid arginine may be the answer. 3000 mg daily for two weeks. (Again, those that push arginine for heart problems find that men notice this particular side effect :) The reason is the production of Nitric Oxide (and lysine may have a similar NO effect).

My father told me that he found vitamin E excellent for "male sexual function" which is one reason he took it regularly - until he didn't (ran out) and two weeks or so later, had a massive heart attack. I am running on, sorry, but I believe that the way vitamin E international units (IUs) are calculated is on the basis of reproductive capacity in rats.

Finally, libido and ED are related but separate. Viagra can eliminate ED but it doesn't seem to provide libido-support. Testosterone seems to play the major role in libido (desire). And where does the raw material to make testosterone come from? Cholesterol.
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Re: Questions about my plan of attack?

Post Number:#36  Post by blade » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:30 am

ofonorow wrote:I may be wrong, but I believe Viagra was original developed as a heart medication - and then they began to notice what was happening :D

There is such a thing as "peripheral arterial disease" (or PAD) and if blood flow is diminished, that problem may play a role in ED. (And we've notice that people who suffer PAD are not as responsive, or even non responsive, to Pauling's vitamin C and lysine therapy... In an old book, Roger J. Williams recommended magnesium for PAD.)

If ED is the issue, then high doses of the amino acid arginine may be the answer. 3000 mg daily for two weeks. (Again, those that push arginine for heart problems find that men notice this particular side effect :) [b]The reason is the production of Nitric Oxide
(and lysine may have a similar NO effect).

My father told me that he found vitamin E excellent for "male sexual function" which is one reason he took it regularly - until he didn't (ran out) and two weeks or so later, had a massive heart attack. I am running on, sorry, but I believe that the way vitamin E international units (IUs) are calculated is on the basis of reproductive capacity in rats.

Finally, libido and ED are related but separate. Viagra can eliminate ED but it doesn't seem to provide libido-support. Testosterone seems to play the major role in libido (desire). And where does the raw material to make testosterone come from? Cholesterol.[/b]


*sigh*
I was not changing the conversation to ED, I was trying to see if what this other site says,(fatty buildup in penile arteries) is true, since that's not what I've taken from this forum.
so you are saying ED can be caused my PAD and Pauling therapy won't help PAD?

BUT if you want to look at ED, lets do that since it looks like we are not in agreement about a solution.
Yes, boners and libido arent the same thing

IF ED is the issue, then I'd do what this site does best...look at what you are eating, ie nutrition.

The "solution" to ED you are proposing (lots of Arginine, ie L-Arginine) is still just a band-aid
--( Not all studies have shown L-Arginine in a positive light as far as being a promoter of Nitric Oxide. For example, one study of healthy males showed no increased blood flow from 20 g/day of Arginine, which is a very large dosage--Journal of Cardiovascular Pharmacology, Jul 1996, 28(1):158-166, "Effects of In Vivo and In Vitro L-Arginine Supplementation on Healthy Human Vessels"

skip the arginine, unless you get it from food,
want a powder to use, then use citrulline, it uses a different pathway and is shown to work better/fewer negative outcomes
want to boost your NO levels via food?
read this to understand about food and NO in the body

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/1.full.pdf

eat these:
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I am wary of taking exogenous VE.
If you have ED, look at your blood work/diet/porn habbit/body composition.

T/e Ratio(testostrone/estrogen) fix SHBG (too high or low);
do what it takes to get boners(morning wood) back
many find a low fat diet(10-15% of calories from fat) helps as a high fat diet can lower NO in the blood

more common nowadays is you might have great T/E ratio, lots of NO, 10-20% BF, BUT still no MW And ED maybe you need to stop watching porn http://www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/inde ... ic=15558.0



it seems to me that a person's diet should prevent/fix PAD, if VC won't do it
If you follow a Mediterranean diet olive oil, nuts, fish, grains, fruits and vegetables form the core of your eating plan. lowers risk of PAD
Kevin Campbell MD, a cardiologist at North Carolina Heart said. “We know that the risk factors for the development of heart disease and PAD are similar — diabetes, high cholesterol, obesity and high blood pressure,"
http://www.everydayhealth.com/news/medi ... l-disease/

Id take Pomegrante juice and garlic and maybe DMSO?(I dont see any studies about this, unlike the formers) to fight PAD/PVD

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Re: Questions about my plan of attack?

Post Number:#37  Post by blade » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:03 am

ofonorow wrote:I may be wrong, but I believe Viagra was original developed as a heart medication - and then they began to notice what was happening :D

There is such a thing as "peripheral arterial disease" (or PAD) and if blood flow is diminished, that problem may play a role in ED. (And we've notice that people who suffer PAD are not as responsive, or even non responsive, to Pauling's vitamin C and lysine therapy... In an old book, Roger J. Williams recommended magnesium for PAD.)

And where does the raw material to make testosterone come from? Cholesterol.

I wasnt quite finished with questions/comments:
Why doesnt PT affect PAD?
not enough "pressure" on the build up of fat in the arteries?

Isnt that where other supplements help
niacin
POM juice DSMO
garlic
low fat diet
to help reduce build up of fat?

Don't worry about needing enough fat to make Testosterone or cholesterol
get enough calories and your body takes care of that.
it makes cholestrol, when people say, "eating fat boosts Testosterone" I don't buy it
mostly since I was a vegetarian diet,(huge caloric deficit) and my cholestrol went from 220 to 150 and at the same my testostrone went from 348 to over 650ng/dl.(all within 11 weeks, while I was losing 80lbs of fat and eating eggwhites/tons of veggies/and some fruits and minerals)
eating a low fat diet,(studies are notorious for claiming low fat as anything below 30-50%, which is wrong)
which is basically a Dean Ornish diet
I am not saying my diet showed you can increase T on a diet, (as my increase in T came from loss of bellyfat, so no more converting T to E)but my diet showed even in a caloric deficit enough to cause fat loss, the body didnt just shut down Testosterone production....it's more complex than that
granted, you have low enough bodyfat, you will be at castration levels of Testosterone...but you dont need to eat fat to make Testosterone.


and you might be interested in hearing how a low fat diet(10-15%) affects telomerase (the enzyme thiny!)
http://ornishspectrum.com/proven-program/the-research/
http://ornishspectrum.com/wp-content/up ... hanges.pdf

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Re: Questions about my plan of attack?

Post Number:#38  Post by ofonorow » Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:35 am

Lots of random thoughts and most of it seems patently false. And so ad hoc it is hard to respond to, so I will concentrate on vitamin E :)

If you don't get or supplement vitamin E - you raise your risk of heart attack - the risk increases above the risk posed by high blood pressure (or high cholesterol.) We have cited the WHO study several times recently. To be "wary" of vitamin E is downright silly - but that is why the propaganda machines are paid the big $$$$

As far as PAD - we are simply reporting our experience as related at this forum. There is apparently another underlying cause - reason the arteries are weakening uniformly away from the heart.

But all the questions illustrate an issue we are going to need to fix as the volume increases.

This is the vitamin C foundation. Yes we are happy to answer health questions (since most correct answers include "take more vitamin C.") But I am going to have to be more diligent about moving topics that digress (or splitting topics) that we have no expertise in to MISC.

Another solution (soon) will be to actually implement the long standing request to build a vitamin C wiki.
(More on that later, but that will make it easier for people interested in vitamin C to find information on their topic of interest.)

Now if gofanu starts the Iodine/Selenium foundation... And exitium the "methylated vitamin b" foundation, then we can think about the master nutrition wiki - of which vitamin C is only one piece of the puzzle.
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Re: Questions about my plan of attack?

Post Number:#39  Post by blade » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:24 am

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Re: Questions about my plan of attack?

Post Number:#40  Post by blade » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:25 am

ofonorow wrote:Lots of random thoughts and most of it seems patently false. And so ad hoc it is hard to respond to, so I will concentrate on vitamin E :)

eh?
ad hoc?
formed, arranged, or done for a particular purpose only. so my "random thoughts"(LOL) are done for a a particular reason(like commenting on what was said in the post I respond to) and that makes them "hard to respond to?

"random thoughts"?
(that is one of my favorive sayingings, "OH THATS SO RANDOM!,nearly all I mention is forcast from the post above;
If I just started talking about life on pluto or what the Pope eats for dinner, that would be random
calling my thoughts random is like saying, "SUDDENLY THE ROAD FORKED!!" you see the road, there is no "suddenly," suddenly infers you are surprised.


[b]patently false
?
my logical explanation about lowering cholestrol yet raising Testostrone level whilst on a large caloric defict on a low calorie/low fat diet is "clearly false"
wtf?
LOL ok?

ofonorow wrote:[color=#000080]If you don't get or supplement vitamin E - you raise your risk of heart attack - the risk increases above the risk posed by high blood pressure (or high cholesterol.) We have cited the WHO study several times recently. To be "wary" of vitamin E is downright silly - but that is why the propaganda machines are paid the big $$$$

As far as PAD - we are simply reporting our experience as related at this forum. There is apparently another underlying cause - reason the arteries are weakening uniformly away from the heart.

But all the questions illustrate an issue we are going to need to fix as the volume increases.

This is the vitamin C foundation. Yes we are happy to answer health questions (since most correct answers include "take more vitamin C.") But I am going to have to be more diligent about moving topics that digress (or splitting topics) that we have no expertise in to MISC.

Another solution (soon) will be to actually implement the long standing request to build a vitamin C wiki.
(More on that later, but that will make it easier for people interested in vitamin C to find information on their topic of interest.)

Now if gofanu starts the Iodine/Selenium foundation... And exitium the "methylated vitamin b" foundation, then we can think about the master nutrition wiki - of which vitamin C is only one piece of the puzzle.[/b]

]
yeah, my straight forward comments about dean ornish and low fat diets seems to have hit a nerve :D
I thought you'd have interest in "low fat diet(10-15%) affects telomerase activity ", but no comments?
instead a post with a lot of BIG words, but not much value...
value is determined with what I can take away from the post and look into or apply to my life.
the only comment that might be of value is the Vit E babble, where you talk about how VE needs to be taken or you risk bad stuff happening, yet provide no links to anything to cite what you refer to.
Or even how much VE to get daily
and calling my thoughts "silly"?
dude, Im here trying to learn, instead of laughing at me, why not say, "oh, well, you dont know,..look at this link and you'll see .....
which would 100% fit into a Thread called QUESTIONS ABOUT MY PLAN OF ATTACK, since I'm here cause I don't know everything, so I'm usually asking about crap and rarely saying how things work.[/quote]

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Re: Questions about my plan of attack?

Post Number:#41  Post by blade » Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:43 pm

lol well one highly regarded member of this forum agrees with Dean Ornish about low fat diets
http://ornishspectrum.com/proven-program/the-research/
likely to increase general health, mental and physical whilst increasing and even lengthening of Telomeres via more Telomerase.

pretty sweet results from just keeping dietary fat 10-15% of daily calories and (maybe) exercising whilst not getting fatter

so I wonder

if you are lean, can you eat in a deficit all week and then one day a week, eat in a surplus?
I wonder how IGF-1 affects telomeres,, but it seems to be the key to naturally(without supplements) keeping telmores long is to eat in a deficit most days a week
what Eat: Fast(mike mosley) says,
what this survey shows about general health/mortality
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22530540
what articles say about health/activation of sirtuin genes/SIRT1 contributes to telomere maintenance

so what I understand thus far to have best health

-be lean(men 10-15% bodyfat)
-keep estradiol 20-30pg/ml(men)
get few grams lysine/Vit C daily
exercise daily(walking at least)
lift weights 2-3x week
eat low fat 6 days a weeks(10-15% of calories from fat)
get enough MG/Selenium
use DMSO an ounce or so daily(more if health issues)
get enough protein
eat lots of broccoli/green veggies

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Re: Questions about my plan of attack?

Post Number:#42  Post by jimmylesante » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:37 am

it makes cholestrol, when people say, "eating fat boosts Testosterone" I don't buy it
mostly since I was a vegetarian diet,(huge caloric deficit) and my cholestrol went from 220 to 150 and at the same my testostrone went from 348 to over 650ng/dl.(all within 11 weeks, while I was losing 80lbs of fat and eating eggwhites/tons of veggies/and some fruits and minerals)


I'm no expert but reading these few sentences it seems to me that
1)Losing 80lbs in 11weeks is a lot of weight done very very fast
2)You didn't just use diet, i bet you exercised a lot too.
3)Either way, exercise or diet that causes weight loss means less oestrogen running round your body and more testosterone being produced-irrelevant of what you ate in those 11 weeks- all your fat you already had stored on your hips.

As for telomeres and diet--- i'd assume that the less you eat, the less cells would need to divide therefore the longer the current telomere length stays. I wouldn't think it increases the telomere length which is a completely different kettle of fish.
As for your posts, as i said before, they are difficult to see what you are asking, lots of information dumped into the posts and very often recurring questions on several of your posts--- then most of the time you have your own answer.

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Re: Questions about my plan of attack?

Post Number:#43  Post by blade » Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:25 am

jimmylesante wrote:
it makes cholestrol, when people say, "eating fat boosts Testosterone" I don't buy it
mostly since I was a vegetarian diet,(huge caloric deficit) and my cholestrol went from 220 to 150 and at the same my testostrone went from 348 to over 650ng/dl.(all within 11 weeks, while I was losing 80lbs of fat and eating eggwhites/tons of veggies/and some fruits and minerals)


I'm no expert but reading these few sentences it seems to me that
1)Losing 80lbs in 11weeks is a lot of weight done very very fast
2)You didn't just use diet, i bet you exercised a lot too.
3)Either way, exercise or diet that causes weight loss means less oestrogen running round your body and more testosterone being produced-irrelevant of what you ate in those 11 weeks- all your fat you already had stored on your hips.

As for telomeres and diet--- i'd assume that the less you eat, the less cells would need to divide therefore the longer the current telomere length stays. I wouldn't think it increases the telomere length which is a completely different kettle of fish.
As for your posts, as i said before, they are difficult to see what you are asking, lots of information dumped into the posts and very often recurring questions on several of your posts--- then most of the time you have your own answer.

It is not clear what you are asking
you are extracting information and putting it together while leaving stuff out?

I agree, you are no expert at reading? is that what your 1st sentence means?
Its not a big deal if english isnt your 1st language, it's not mine, but I can answer whatever question you have if you just ask your question and dont passive/aggressively try to summarize and then attempt to bash me with your inability to understand what I've written. :)

right in 2012, I lost 80lbs in 10-12wks it was to win a contest/worth ~$2k usd

2-yes, I did both ate in a caloric deficit(veggies/eggwhites/fruit/supplements, and lifted weights 3x week(as I won via bodyfat percentage lost, not just weight), did cardio(walked a lot)

3-? eh?
estrogen running out? eh? I don't know what you are talking about? as I've said, I know by losing the belly fat, which has lots of aromatase which converts testosterone into estradiol, I stopped that conversion and thus raised on T-level.
my point was I was eating low fat,(10-15% at most) I wasnt eating nuts at the time, I was getting any fat from EFAs(carlsons)
again, my point was, eating low fat isnt bad for you, it's shown in many places to have good outcomes,
it defintely did not hurt my testotrone level, which men tend to think will happen if you eat low fat.

jimmylesante wrote: more testosterone being produced-.


why would I make more testostrone in a caloric deficit?

I don't agree what what I ate was irrelevant,
I've post before about the man who lost bodyfat and improved his body's lipids, BUT he ate mostly junk food, BUT he kept it at a certain caloric number
this link
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/tw ... professor/

but is that how people should eat for ideal health? just count calories?
looking around this forum and you'll see that the answer is obviously NO
get enough AA. and lysine and other nutrients, iodine, B-vitamins, Selenium will make you a healthier person

I am going further than that in 2 ways

1 low fat diet

but now It seems Maybe, eating a low fat diet, which has benefits
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/Ornish_Diet.aspx
Dean ornish(a low fat guru himself) show a study that low fat might be useful in increasing telomerase activity

http://ornishspectrum.com/wp-content/up ... hanges.pdf

2 fasting(also useful in increasing telomerase activity)

I don't really know what works, I am posting science that looks likes like it backs up what I say

as the study from DeanOrinish ALSO had his study involving
low-fat(10-15%)
meditation
weight loss
exercise

I see a lot of activity about increasing teleomores, so I mentioned this in a few places
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=11675&p=39031#p39031

If you don't like my posts, the way I write, I can't do much about that I can answer direct questions to try to explain things you don't understand as best I can.
Or if the sheer amount of info in each post overwhelms you, take a break from reading or find one fact that you want to question, and ask a question about it.
no, one is telling you to try to read and comprehend the whole post at once.


I hope you understand.., but above all just be a good person and treat me how you'd like to be treated, dont throw your internet insults at me, I'm on your side to get us all as healthy as we can be,
it's not that hard to just be nice, eh?` :D

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Re: Questions about my plan of attack?

Post Number:#44  Post by jimmylesante » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:25 am

want to question, and ask a question about it.

I did just that and quoted your script:
when people say, "eating fat boosts Testosterone" I don't buy it
mostly since I was a vegetarian diet,(huge caloric deficit) and my cholestrol went from 220 to 150 and at the same my testostrone went from 348 to over 650ng/dl.(all within 11 weeks, while I was losing 80lbs of fat and eating eggwhites/tons of veggies/and some fruits and minerals)

Here you are saying that you do not believe eating fat raises your cholesterol because you were on an 11 week mainly vege diet, yet your testosterone went up. You also indicate that your cholesterol went down which makes Owens post incorrect- as i said you answer your own questions with what you like to hear! You also with this statement of yours disagree with Owens post which i quote below and highlight the relevant part.
Testosterone seems to play the major role in libido (desire). And where does the raw material to make testosterone come from? Cholesterol.


Hence why i suggested to you in my humble laymans terms in my previous post, that loss of fat especially 80lbs in such a short while will increase your testosterone(less oestrogen in your fat) added on to that you were also exercising, also increases your testosterone. Therefore it is probably irrelevent what you were eating affected your testosterone-hence perhaps Owen was right and you should buy into the fact that fat/cholesterol boosts testosterone.
Perhaps it's just me that finds your posts difficult to follow and your responses terse and acidic. Either way- it would be good advice for you.. to listen and hear what people say on this forum as they are not only way smarter than i am- and way smarter than you- they work daily with patients and have decades of experience.
Oh I looked at your CNN twinkie story but the article couldn't even decide if he had a starting body mass of 28.8 or 33.4% so i stopped looking.

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Re: Questions about my plan of attack?

Post Number:#45  Post by blade » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:06 pm

jimmylesante wrote:
want to question, and ask a question about it.

I did just that and quoted your script:
when people say, "eating fat boosts Testosterone" I don't buy it
mostly since I was a vegetarian diet,(huge caloric deficit) and my cholestrol went from 220 to 150 and at the same my testostrone went from 348 to over 650ng/dl.(all within 11 weeks, while I was losing 80lbs of fat and eating eggwhites/tons of veggies/and some fruits and minerals)

Here you are saying that you do not believe eating fat raises your cholesterol because you were on an 11 week mainly vege diet, yet your testosterone went up. You also indicate that your cholesterol went down which makes Owens post incorrect- as i said you answer your own questions with what you like to hear! You also with this statement of yours disagree with Owens post which i quote below and highlight the relevant part.
Testosterone seems to play the major role in libido (desire). And where does the raw material to make testosterone come from? Cholesterol.


Hence why i suggested to you in my humble laymans terms in my previous post, that loHis body mass index went from 28.8, of fat especially 80lbs in such a short while will increase your testosterone(less oestrogen in your fat) added on to that you were also exercising, also increases your testosterone. Therefore it is probably irrelevent what you were eating affected your testosterone-hence perhaps Owen was right and you should buy into the fact that fat/cholesterol boosts testosterone.
Perhaps it's just me that finds your posts difficult to follow and your responses terse and acidic. Either way- it would be good advice for you.. to listen and hear what people say on this forum as they are not only way smarter than i am- and way smarter than you- they work daily with patients and have decades of experience.
Oh I looked at your CNN twinkie story but the article couldn't even decide if he had a starting body mass of 28.8 or 33.4% so i stopped looking.

I am not sure what you are saying, your response was prolix and obviously you don't read/comprehend well.

I could figure out the last sentence. I think your issue might be comprehension issue you have. As in the twinkie story the vaules you mentioned in your terse and acid response are very easy to find, Yet you gave up trying to find them?
All you have to do is read the thing.
Let me help you out by pointing them out:
ie from the twinkie story tat you couldnt figure out and stopped looking:
"His body mass index went from 28.8,"
body fat dropped from 33.4 to 24.9 percent
you can take from the the prof had a The prof*(Haub) had an inital Bodyfat of 33.4% and a BMI of 28.8
2 different things

- I am not disagreeing with anyone who suggest that's fat increases testosterone, I think that is true. BUT My point was going low fat will not cause a big decrease in testosterone. As I said, I was pointing that out because men believe low fat means their testosterone will suddenly fall, I reported my low fat diet which was low calorie and my testosterone was not low at the end of it.
a Low-fat diet(10-15%) has many benifets associated to it.

Again, I don't understand the point of your post
Are you not understanding something?
I am not getting anything useful from your posts, so if you think your unsolicited advice is useful or wanted, you are mistaken.

I hope I've helped you out, any more questions, let me know, k :D
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