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11 stents

Post Number:#1  Post by chilenito74 » Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:02 pm

OK, I have 11 of those little things in my heart. I was taking lipitor 40mg but i stopped about a month ago. I started working my way up to:

15000 mg of Vit C
6000 mg of Lysine
and 2000 mg proline

I achieved that within a month. Then I re-read the documents and I found out that I should also be taking the same amount of Lysine, so I decided to to take less Vit C.

Now, I am working my way down to:

9000mg vit C
9000mg Lysine
2000mg proline

My regular medicines are

10mg enalapril
50mg atenolol
75mg plavix

I also take:

40mg omeprazole
0.8mg tamsulosin
850mg metformin

3000mg Omega 3-6-9
240units serrapetase
100billion probiotics

Is there anything else I could do to improve this?

Also, I have felt better, especially in the mobility side of my legs. Even trying to put on my pants was an ordeal because I could not raise without problems my legs. Much less squat and try to get up without grabbing a hold with my hands and even then it was difficult. I thought it was decrepitude.

Later when and if i get the status of reversed CVD I will just take 6000mg of vit C and Lysine and 2000mg proline for the rest of my life.

Am I doing this correctly?

Thank you for any tips and hints.

chileno

Edited: I only take 2 caps of tamsulosin of 0.4 mg each a day - 7-12-15
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Re: 11 stents

Post Number:#2  Post by blade » Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:41 pm

chilenito74 wrote:Also, I have felt better, especially in the mobility side of my legs. Even trying to put on my pants was an ordeal because I could not raise without problems my legs. Much less squat and try to get up with grabbing a hold with my hands and even then it was difficult. I though that it was decrepitude.




how does AA affect mobility of the legs?
one of my friends, a not fat,. 19yo is extrememly stiff in his legs
he can't even get up when sitting on the floor without difficulty

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Re: 11 stents

Post Number:#3  Post by jimmylesante » Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:27 am

Theres a lot you are taking and way above my experience. Some brainbox like Johnwen would know much better. I will offer these few lines for what they are worth. Guess you are a diabetic and perhaps still eat the "junk" food hence the omeprazole :) Is 74 your birth year?
1)You are off the statin, perhaps start vitamin B3 to help balance your cholesterol
2)Seems a lack of minerals in your regime, such as magnesium but certain too much magnesium may interfere with what looks like a beta blocker -olol
3) Avoid the bad foods, sugar,processed carbs(any processed foods actually) and trans fats---eat the good whole vegetables

Keep plugging away until you feel much healthier and i hope someone else will come along and answer you with more medical knowledge than i.

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Re: 11 stents

Post Number:#4  Post by exitium » Thu Jul 02, 2015 6:54 am

Welcome aboard.

I too have found that pauling therapy in general just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to supplementation.

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Re: 11 stents

Post Number:#5  Post by chilenito74 » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:28 pm

blade wrote:
chilenito74 wrote:Also, I have felt better, especially in the mobility side of my legs. Even trying to put on my pants was an ordeal because I could not raise without problems my legs. Much less squat and try to get up with grabbing a hold with my hands and even then it was difficult. I though that it was decrepitude.




how does AA affect mobility of the legs?
one of my friends, a not fat,. 19yo is extrememly stiff in his legs
he can't even get up when sitting on the floor without difficulty


What does AA mean?

I am a 60 y.o. male. so i thought it was decrepitude.

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Re: 11 stents

Post Number:#6  Post by chilenito74 » Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:32 pm

jimmylesante wrote:Theres a lot you are taking and way above my experience. Some brainbox like Johnwen would know much better. I will offer these few lines for what they are worth. Guess you are a diabetic and perhaps still eat the "junk" food hence the omeprazole :) Is 74 your birth year?
1)You are off the statin, perhaps start vitamin B3 to help balance your cholesterol
2)Seems a lack of minerals in your regime, such as magnesium but certain too much magnesium may interfere with what looks like a beta blocker -olol
3) Avoid the bad foods, sugar,processed carbs(any processed foods actually) and trans fats---eat the good whole vegetables

Keep plugging away until you feel much healthier and i hope someone else will come along and answer you with more medical knowledge than i.


74 is just a number. I am 60 y.o.

I take omeprazole because I had GERD and i have suffered from the stomach for quite some time. I eat healthy, were not for Monsanto et al.

I don't like processed food and i have always eaten salads. Save when I was younger that I ate Pizza occasionally. I don't like to eat out much either. That's why i am so upset with Monsatan and the government of this country that allows that type of stuff.

Vit B3? Is that Omega 3?

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Re: 11 stents

Post Number:#7  Post by pamojja » Fri Jul 03, 2015 5:29 am

chilenito74 wrote:Vit B3? Is that Omega 3?


No. Vitamin B3 is usually called Niacin. It's 2 main available forms are niacinamid and nicotinic acid. Nicotinic acid is the one used for improving cholesterol in doses of upto 3 grams dayly.

However, nicotinic acid also has the side effect, when not used to, to cause fushing - reddening of the skin, mostly on the upper body, heat and tingling sensation lasting for about 30 minutes. To avoid the stronger flush Nicotinic is started at a lower dose (100-150 mg) and then increased gradually every week or so.

For avoiding the flushing some slow- or extended release formulas are available, but aren't recommended for possibly causing a rise in liver-enzymes.

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Re: 11 stents

Post Number:#8  Post by chilenito74 » Fri Jul 03, 2015 4:58 pm

Oh yes, right.

I take 1g a day of niacin too.

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Re: 11 stents

Post Number:#9  Post by Johnwen » Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:41 pm

Ok so you have what is referred to a “Full Metal Jacket!” (11stents)

The question here is what was the time spacing between these stents and when was the last one placed?

Next would be, Are any of them drug eluding? (DES)

So let’s see what your being treated for?
10mg Enalapril maleate ace inhibitor High BP Not bad
50mg Atenolol Beta Blocker Tachycardia or mild HF. 2b expected
75mg Plavix anti-platelet Thrombosis prevent Standard

All standard meds post MI with stents.

40mg Omeprazole acid blocker GERD /Acid reflux Lot’s of interactions

1.6mg Tamsulosin Flomax BPH High PSA Rather Hi Dose

850Mg Metformin Oral type 2 Antidiabetic Drug

Serrapeptase Proteolytic Enzyme COPD other Inflammatory conditions
Comes in 20,000 IU’s or 40,000IU however there is products Like “SERRA RX 260”
Which are like 26,000IU’s

1 billion Probiotics digestion issues to counter act the effects of low stomach acid caused by Omeprazole.

9000Mg. V-C Excellent
9000Mg. L-Lysine Needs to be lower like 5000mg. You’ll get more in your system from food. Might aggravate some of your stomach issues.
2000Mg Proline Again too high lower to around 500mg.- 1000Mg.
Both Amino acids are produced in the body naturally so your only adding to excess has it’s pitfalls so it’s best to hang to the lower side.

Chilenito 74
If you see anything here that seems not right let us know!
Also I’m going to dump this in Jimmylesante’s Lap to come up with a answer!
He’s a Medical/Voodoo specialist from Africa who’s trying to learn more and get a better grip on things.

Jimmylesante;

A person presents with 11 stents. Now we know stents not only push the occlusion open but extend to some degree beyond the affected area doing damage to these adjacent endothiel cells. With the amount used here the damage could be extensive. Especially if DES’s were used.
Now given the other conditions this patient presents with see if you can determine a common denominator.
I also suspect that there maybe some other milder conditions, like some chest pains that come and go, shortness of breath at times, occasional spikes in BP, Mild vertigo, ED might also be present combined with elevated PSA’s. ( I see he’s 60 but should be able!)

See what you can come up with and what would be the best supplement to help him here for now. Then what would you recommend he talk to his doc about adding to his meds.

About the Omeprazole when would be the best time for him to take it to avoid interactions with his meds and supp’s?

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Re: 11 stents

Post Number:#10  Post by jimmylesante » Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:53 pm

Thanks Johnwen.(Antipodean sarcasm)
Well i have thrown the bones, added chameleon tongue,kudu balls and a flicker of lightning to my concoction.
To add:
Vitamin E(especially tocotrienols), Vitamin K2, Magnesium,vitamin sunshine/D3 Selenium plus Co-enzyme Q10 , B complex.
Medication:
Perhaps a Long acting nitrate and a diuretic?
Omeprazole: hmmm i'm going for 2hrs after meals and meds. Ideally not to take it at all would be better- perhaps identifying and removing allergic type foods that cause GERD and/or supplementing with HCL.

I assume that the difficulty in leg movement is PAD but could well be a result of metformin, causing lactic acidosis?
Generally i may think that the common denominator is hormonal, perhaps obviously excess Insulin(causing diabetes, CAD and high PSA) and/or a lack of cortisol. Perhaps even an Iron issue.
The GERD and statin could have reduced the cholesterol dramatically, causing a feeling of weakness in legs, dizzy etc?

I'm stopping there, the deeper i look the more possibilities/probabilities there seem to be.
I have come away with more knowledge and like this acronym to be heart healthier
Avoid tobacco
Become more active
Choose good nutrition
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Re: 11 stents

Post Number:#11  Post by Johnwen » Sun Jul 05, 2015 10:36 pm

Perhaps a Long acting nitrate and a diuretic?


Way to go Jim! Nailed it. Except for the diuretic at this time!

Yep! All them stents have block the production of Nitric Oxide (NO) by blocking and damaging the endothiel cells.

A lot of Doc’s don’t realize how tightly the production of NO is in the heart and other areas of the body.
Kidneys, stomach, endocrine productions, Prostate and quite a few others!

Lack of NO is one of the leading cause of failure in bypass surgery’s where the saphenous vein was used for the bypass. The body try’s to grow endothiel cells in the vein. (which don’t work!) so as to keep the balance of NO from the new vessel and they usually end up closing off the graft opening this is called Neo Intimal Hyperplasia. You’ll also see hyperplasia form around stents and sometimes get carried away an block off the artery.

Ok! Back to this gentleman!

Don’t stop Pauling Therapy!!!

L-Arginine- I would start with about 500mg. Twice a day for a 1000mg total for the day.
If bp don’t drop, work up to about 2500mg. Per day

L-citrulline would be an alternative but this takes a little longer because it has to go thru a 9 step process however higher blood levels can be achieved using this route.

This is a good starting point! Then he should sit down with his doc and have a talk about this with him. Then he could suggest a nitro pill to him, The one I found does a excellent job Is Isosorbide Mono nitrate which is an extended release. Given his conditions I would go with 30mg. To start! This product has a very good conversion to NO and can be enhanced by the addition of some NAC (N-Acetyl-Cysteine). But to start I would just go with it straight up. If his doc goes along. Then keep a close eye on BP and any other kind of reaction which could mean a reduced dependence on some of his other drugs.
It’s best to take this first thing in the am before other meds with about an hour before the next pill.

On the Omeprazole he needs to give it a 1 hour before and at least a 2 hour after.
As far as a diuretic. Some people may experience some non pitting edema from nitro based products but usually not severe. I would leave this up to his doc to call.

So you called it pretty good JIM!

Here’s a link to wet your whistle on, there’s a lot of others .

http://no-more-heart-disease.com/nitric ... -diabetes/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2582805/


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Re: 11 stents

Post Number:#12  Post by ofonorow » Wed Jul 08, 2015 5:58 am

Thank you johnwen (and jimmylesante). I learned a great deal from this discussion already and because the poster had questions like "what is AA" and "B3" I will try to sum up the "diagnosis" so far :D (Note: Lately we have had regular visitors to our store asking our employees repeatedly whether I "prescribe". I think someone is trying to send me a message 8) .. We were able to get two names and one company - seem to have pharmaceutical associations..)

AA is short hand for "Ascorbic Acid", a form of vitamin C.
Vitamin B3 is also called niacin.

NO is nitric oxide. This molecule induces arteries to expand (thus increasing blood flow and lowering blood pressure) and is the reason that many heart patients with chest pain (Angina) use nitroglycerine pills or patches. The amino acid arginine is a good source of Nitric Oxide, thus johnwen's recommendation. (It is my understanding that lysine can also help create NO, which may explain some of the more rapid effects of vitamin C and lysine on chest pain.)

However, as they note, in your case, the metal stents would get in the way of your tissues creating Nitric Oxide, and even if your arterial tissues could, the stents would prevent your arteries for dilating anyway.

So the basic recommendation seems to be (and I agree) stay on the Pauling vitamin C/lysine therapy. Your original protocol was probably better than your second.

Linus Pauling seemed to recommend equal dosages of vitamin C and lysine - up to about 5 or 6 grams, but we have noticed that vitamin C requirements are highly variable. It is not unusual for people to be on 10,000 or more vitamin C, but only 5000 to 6000 mg of lysine). And in the case of stents, even Drug Eluding Stents, we have anecdotal cases that indicate dosage is important, in that higher dosages can relieve "stent pain" See Carol Smith's story at PaulingTherapy.com

I know nothing about the drugs (leaving that to our med professional johnwen) but I do know that the natural state of affairs is for our stomachs to be highly acidic. Our bodies do not work properly when stomach acid is "turned off", especially by the new "proton pump" inhibitors - the nuclear option that turn off the stomachs production of stomach acid... I could go over all the adverse affects, but a great book has been written on the subject: WHY STOMACH ACID IS GOOD FOR YOUR (by Jonathan Wright, MD and Lane Lenard).

I was able to cure my "GERD" and I documented my experiencehttp://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=11177 (which also tries to explain that the pain is coming from the bottom of the throat - not the stomach.) Given this problem, if you are taking vitamin C as a powder - at least half should be sodium ascorbate (to sooth the throat) and you can do this by adding sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) to your ascorbic acid drink as Linus Pauling himself did.
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Post Number:#13  Post by chilenito74 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:16 am

Thank you so much for your guide, doctors and Owen.

My last stent was placed in December 2012 so it has been more than 2 years that the medication lasts as I have understood. Now, the problem with NO comes from the medication in the stents or the stents proper? I guess it is from the medication which is non existent from now. I will ask my dr if she can help me. I am always worried about this because you know that in the land of the free, people are not that free, and doctors have the order to "relate" this type of stuff to the government. There have been doctors that have lost their license for advocating for these type of information.

So, I should take up again my intake of Vit C from 9 to 15g a day and lower Lysine to from 9 to 6g a day. I will do so. I will lower proline also to 1.5 g a day instead of the 2g I am taking now. Can I or is it advisable to just lower lysine and proline as suggested? or the more vit C I can take is better?

I take these 3 times a day, how much Sodium bicarbonate should I add to my drink each time?

And this has been always a question for me. Do I take the Pauling therapy with whatever else suggested attached to it altogether, fasting/. after breakfast, at mealtime? etc what about the rest of the medication that I have to take? at what time do i do it? along with o not the Pauling therapy suggestion etc

When, if possible, should I be able to start weaning off the rest of the "medicines" for my heart?


Thanks again.
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Re: 11 stents

Post Number:#14  Post by blade » Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:29 am

chilenito74 wrote:Thank you so much for your guide, doctors and Owen.

My last stent was placed in December 2012 so it has been more than 2 years that the medication lasts as I have understood. Now, the problem with NO comes from the medication in the stents or the stents proper?

are you getting enough foods to help with NO(nitric oxide) production?
here is a great article about NO in the body from eating foods
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/1.full.pdf

no great discovery, eat more foods high in nitrates to make more NO, which helps with lots of health issues as the article talks about
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Post Number:#15  Post by chilenito74 » Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:57 pm

blade wrote:are you getting enough foods to help with NO(nitric oxide) production?
here is a great article about NO in the body from eating foods
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/1.full.pdf

no great discovery, eat more foods high in nitrates to make more NO, which helps with lots of health issues as the article talks about
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Thank you blade. I have always eaten salad and the dressing is always olive oil, lemon and sea salt. Sometimes, not often we use vinegar. I am contemplating in using apple cider vinegar a bit more often, though.

I am also considering in taking some MMS.

That's something I would like to discuss with you guys.... it is interesting, especially because of the Vit C. :)


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