Let PT slide, now faces heart by-pass

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Let PT slide, now faces heart by-pass

Post by ofonorow » Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:25 am

Owen,

Thank you for the reply. Here is the deal. I have not used the Heart tech product for a long time. I spoke with you years ago about my wife and her type 1 diabetes and plaque issues. She died a few years ago from congestive heart failure. We had no insurance so I got skinned financially and actually had to do a short sale on the home. Money has been tight and I could not afford the product but I sure wish I had stayed with it. She did not tolerate the Heart Tech well with constant bowel issues from neuropathy.

No, I am not one of those that felt better and stopped taking the product. It was a money issue as I stated. I am a total believer in the entire concept. I remember you telling me you developed the heart Tech product.

I am 63 and extremely healthy. I have been running all my life and also weights. Never sick. The only issue is a low HDL in my family and my very healthy uncle had a quad by pass at age 58. Just a problem genetically. My cholesterol has been a little over 200 and the HDL around 30. I started feeling a burning sensation behind my sternum when I ran and had to stop periodically. Also when I work outside with heavy stuff. My endurance is great but the burning is a problem. My doctor is a close friend and suggested that I have a nuclear stress test. It showed abnormalities and I met with the cardiac specialist and he set up a heart catheter through the wrist this past Monday. I met with the surgeon today and he showed me the video and it has one artery at an 85 to 90% blockage and two more with less blockage. I can't do a stent because I am highly allergic to aspirin but he strongly suggested the by pass.

This is a really big deal and I am considering taking the chance and get on your suggested regimen to clean it up. I am scared and worried and could really use a phone conversation, please? Really huge decision. Please call if you can. Thank you.

Ken


I no longer get in the phone, and I couldn't help you make this decision anyway. After reading Thomas Levy's book STOP AMERICA'S #1 KILLER (Levy was a board certified cardiologist) you would begin to understand that there are cases where the by-pass is the best course of action. ( Levy thinks, like us, that the problem can be avoided in the first place by using vitamin C, but you are not at the avoidance/prevention stage. Aside: As cheap as vitamin C and lysine can be, you were aware of Pauling's theory, so economics is no excuse.)

You are now in the position of seeking a reversal of cardiovascular disease, something Linus Pauling himself thought possible, but per Levy, the risk has increased.

If it were me, if I were facing this situation, and this is my opinion if I faced heart bypass surgery under the diagnosis you shared, I would try to delay the surgery for 60 to 90 days, and see if I could reverse the blockages.

To do this, I would focus on
a) vitamin C and lysine (and proline) and
b) vitamin K (mostly K2).

I would review the recommendations in Chapter 7 of our book, (Free download http://practicingmedicinewithoutalicense.com/protocol/) which builds on the Foundation of Linus Pauling's basic recommendations in HOW TO LIVE LONGER AND FEEL BETTER.

johnwen here at our forum is an medical expert and has seen people in this situation his entire career. He may have some insights for you.
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Re: Let PT slide, now faces heart by-pass

Post by Johnwen » Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:01 am

To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is
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Re: Let PT slide, now faces heart by-pass

Post by RoFo » Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:29 pm

Owen's brother, the phone guy for the Foundation, here.

Just want to thank Owen, Johnwen, and all the rest, for the excellent advice and free work done here... if you guys only knew about all the lives you've saved, you'd likely be insufferable and need a special brace for the swelled heads! I get a few tearful calls every week... so thanks from Ken and ALL the rest of them.

It's easy to "let it slide" when you feel okay... believe me, I know. But thanks.

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Re: Let PT slide, now faces heart by-pass

Post by Runner63 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 2:13 pm

Thank you to Owen and John for the information and especially taking the time to answer. Greatly appreciated. I am now responding to Johnwen.

I was put on metoprolol (only on for 4 days). What is the issue with that drug? Also the generic for Imdur (Isosorbide MN ER 60mg) so I do have the Nitrate. It says half for a week and then 1 once a day. Is it better when at full dose in a week to break it in 2 and take it twice a day? The Cardio C and extra Vit. C is in transit from Robert and I have stocked up on the rest of the supplements. I will get 5 grams of C and also 5G of lysine from the cadio C and also ordered the Worlds Finest C as well for the other 5G per day.

He did say the mammary artery would be used.

My symptoms are modest. I am 5'-10", 175 and always fit all my life. Steady exercise but not fanatical at age 63. I was running up until about 6 months ago but still weights and core exercises on the floor (push ups, crunches, kettle bell swings, planks and more). The reason all of this is a surprise is it appeared to be the slight hiatal hernia (diagnosed in May) that was the burning cause behind the sternum. It started when I was running for a while and then started when lying down sleeping. I got up a few times a few months ago at night with the burn and almost went to the ER. I was also not belching at all even after soda. I tried nexium and after 4 days I "never" felt it again lying down but only when I exerted myself a lot such as running pick ups or heavy yard work. With the weights and core work, nothing at all. Endurance is great. It's not like I am wearing out and can't go on. Just the opposite. Stamina is very good, just the burn. During the nuclear stress test I felt really good. Started modest for 3 minutes, faster for 3 and then a fast walk. After 2 minutes I felt fine except for the burning got strong. No acid reflux at all, ever.

I have decided to wait on the surgery unless I start to feel more than the occasional burn from exertion. I will load up on all that you guys suggest and also want to get 10 pounds off. They also started me on Atorvastatin. I have L-arginine, Slo Niacin, super B complex, K2, Co Q 10, zinc, fish oil and magnesium.

Thanks again for the help. Appreciated more than I can say.

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Re: Let PT slide, now faces heart by-pass

Post by Johnwen » Sun Sep 06, 2015 11:11 am

To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism. To steal from many is
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Re: Let PT slide, now faces heart by-pass

Post by ofonorow » Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:08 am

Regarding the cleveland clinic post. First hand testimonials are appreciated, so if you yourself feel that you have benefited, either after a heart attack of CVD diagnosis, that is one thing. But if you are simply pushing what seem like good ideas, a short synopsis and the link are adequate.

Buried in runner63's post were these words!


I tried nexium


Please tell us that you are now off Nexium, a so-called "proton pump inhibitor!" Know that one bad outcome (of many bad outcomes) from turning off stomach acid is losing the ability to absorb vitamin C.

If your throat (esophagus) burns taking Cardio-C - you should feel comfortable following Linus Pauling's lead, and adding some sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) to the drink. This will turn some of the ascorbic acid into sodium ascorbate. (After I began experiencing GERD-like symtoms, I began taking my vitamin C as about 40% sodium ascorbate and 60% ascorbic acid.) I describe how I think I cured my GERD in this post http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=11177.

Since it is the lower esophagus (not the stomach) that is burning, another idea is to purchase a kit from a health food store to make your own capsules. This way you can put vitamin C (cardio-C) with ascorbic acid in gelatin capsules - that should protect your throat on the way down.
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Re: Let PT slide, now faces heart by-pass

Post by Runner63 » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:24 pm

Owen,

Thanks for the information on the beta blockers. About 9 months ago when i first started to notice the burning behind my sternum it was limited to when I ran or when I seriously exerted myself. It soon started to burn while lying down at night and a few times I got up from the severity. Since I was not experiencing any endurance issues like a heart problem, I tried Nexium and the burning while lying down stopped in 4 days and has never come back.

The endoscope showed a slight hiatal hernia in May and I have been on a generic Pantoprozole. I still feel the burn when I try to run and felt it pretty strong during the fast part of the stress test. However, no acid reflux at all, ever. Just the burn with exertion.

I should receive the Cardio C Tuesday (tomorrow) and will stop with the beta blocker tonight since that is when I take it.

Grateful for the information from everyone.

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Re: Let PT slide, now faces heart by-pass

Post by Runner63 » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:23 am

Correction on my last reply to Owen. I will immediately stop the proton pump inhibitor. I called it a beta blocker in error. Got a million names on my mind with all of this. Thank you all!!!

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Re: Let PT slide, now faces heart by-pass

Post by 89826 » Tue Sep 08, 2015 3:19 pm

blade, can't quite tell if you are genuinely curious or want to argue. Plaques are composed of fat and cholesterol.

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Re: Let PT slide, now faces heart by-pass

Post by ofonorow » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:19 am

We split the interesting discussion on oils to this topic: (I hope :) )
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12087
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Re: Let PT slide, now faces heart by-pass

Post by Runner63 » Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:19 pm

Got a few questions.

I started with the Cardio C and worlds finest Vitamin C powder. 2 scoops of the cardio c and an extra 5 grams of the powder giving me 10 grams of C and 5 grams of lysine. Also from the comments on this blog and the Pauling information 12 page pdf Owen suggested, L-arginine, Slo Niacin, Super B Complex, K2, Co Q 10, Zinc, Magnesium, melatonin, all in recommended doses from you guys.

Dosing. Johnwen suggested taking the lysine in small doses throughout the day. I am taking 2 scoops per day of the Cadio C and 5 x (1/4) tsp for 5 grams extra C from the powder. Would it be best to dose:
1. Mix all of it in a bottle of water and consume it 5 or 6 times over the course of the day or,
2. Mix the one scoop of Cardio c in the morning with the 5 grams of the powder C and drink over the day and have the single scoop of Cardio C at night because of the 7 or 8 hour sleep duration where no C is consumed?

I am not knowledgeable enough yet of how long this stuff lasts in the system or if the best way is to have a bigger dose of maybe 2 grams five times a day or is it OK to sip the total mix over the entire day, is there a need to have a heavier dose at night because of the time sleeping?

I am off the Nexium generic for 3 days and all is well. I went to half a pill of the 25MG Metaprolol twice a day instead of one pill twice a day for 2 days and now off for 24 hours. Just took my BP and 111/75 and rate of 77. They also put me on Atorvastatin 80MG once a day. I read in the archives about a possible issue with reducing cholesterol production and upsetting the body's natural balance. Thoughts about this drug please?

Thanks again for all the help.

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Re: Let PT slide, now faces heart by-pass

Post by jimmylesante » Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:00 pm

Atorvastatin 80MG

Did you mean to say 80 (eighty) mg?

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Re: Let PT slide, now faces heart by-pass

Post by Runner63 » Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:00 pm

Yes, 80mg. CVS uses all caps on the bottle. At least the spelling was right!!!

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Post by tjohnson_nb » Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:11 pm

Statins are bad news! They interfere with the production of CoEnzyme Q10 which is important for all muscles - including heart!
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Post by Montmorency » Sun Sep 13, 2015 9:31 am

tjohnson_nb wrote:Statins are bad news! They interfere with the production of CoEnzyme Q10 which is important for all muscles - including heart!


Another point about statins is (unless anyone here knows different) that they do nothing to help rebuild healthy blood vessels (unlike the Pauling Therapy).

So reducing cholesterol (which is only there as "first aid" for the blood vessels) without also doing something to rebuild the blood vessels (and reduce/remove the need for the first aid) is scientific illiteracy (I hasten to add, on the part of the people who prescribe them, not on the part of the people who take them, because they have been told that "doctor knows best").


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