Time to rethink the Pauling Dosing Regime??

[lolex]

[pamojja]

[pamojja]

[pamojja]

These red-cell's ability do however explain, how in vitamin C deficiency the available get's recycled again and again, creating a vitamin C body stores half-life of as long as up to 30 days. While in mega-dosing down to 1/2 an hour.

which I dont understand well,
If vit C gets used to make collagen or to neurtailize an antioxidant, then can it be recyled?

Think the best theory to explain how nutrients in deficiency get first allotted to life-saving bodily processes - in negligence of less urgent but nevertheless causing chronic symptoms later in life - is the triage theory by Bruce Ames, as example for vitamin K:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19692494

The body needs some absolute minimum to survive now, and spares it stringently to not be used up by less urgent needs. For example by not allotting enough for collagen repair in arteries, as Pauling posited. Causing chronic issues years later on.

It just will not make collagen or neutralize antioxidants enough, for ensuring the most urgent functions to survive for at least today are maintained.

[samarkand]

How are people on the 'all meat' diet managing without Vit C?

They appear to be doing OK now, but will they suffer in years to come?

[samarkand]

zarfas - many thanks for your reply and link.

Organ meat has a small amount Vit C, but I don't believe there is any in a steak.

I am personally taking Ascorcine9 - 2 scoops morning and night. Plus in between I take 1 tablespoon Liposomal C 3 times per day. That amounts to about 8000+mg - haven't managed to reach bowel tolerance - should I increase? (FYI I'm 62kg Age 72).
Hoping to reverse some blockages and will keep at it. (26 months completed).

[pamojja]

If vit C gets used to make collagen or to neurtailize an antioxidant, then can it be recyled?

The body needs some absolute minimum to survive now, and spares it stringently to not be used up by less urgent needs. ..

It just will not make collagen or neutralize antioxidants enough, for ensuring the most urgent functions to survive for at least today are maintained.

that's not answering what i asked, maybe I asked it wrong?
so once the vit C gets used, it can be recycled?

As the long half-life in serum of up to 30 days with little vitamin shows. Yes it can be recycled - but only at such low amounts.

It can't recycle large amounts - as again the short half-life of only half an hour with a large vitamin C intake shows.

Therefore, due to the recycling at low amounts the body can maintain the same low serum levels easily. For therapeutically more active high serum levels the intake has to be continuously high.

[lolex]

" so if you smoke, you should always do so with taking vit C, to at least quench some of the free radicals made/present, otherwise any vit C you have will get used up.

So if you smoke and have no vit C, then what happens?""

............You end up dead or with a by-pass, like I did.

(Late Learner !)

[OxC]

[pamojja]

[OxC]

[Ralph Lotz]

No, now is the time to IMPLEMENT the Pauling/Rath discoveries which were based on Patterson/Willis guinea pig studies. We now know about Ascorbate Pharmacokinetics, and have for over 13 years.
http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/j ... 4-p237.pdf

There are zero consequences and zero toxicity with ascorbic acid usage unless you take more than bowel tolerance. ( Cathcart)
Cost is 2 cents a gram at vitacost.com ( Thompson Vitamin C Powder)

One should not confuse basic survival amounts for survival with adequate amounts required for optimal health.
(See Bruce Ames' Triage Theory)
Vitamin C recycling is glutathione dependent:
http://practicingmedicinewithoutalicens ... t_chp7.pdf

Numerous experts on the Vitamin C Foundation website have discussed in detail the reasons humans need more than enough ascorbate to prevent frank scurvy: Stone, Ely, Cathcart, Hickey, Sardi, Fonorow just to mention a few.
Lysine is one of the 9 essential amino acids, while proline is not classified as essential. While proline can be synthesized in the body, it may be conditionally essential.
https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compou ... ection=Top

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-top ... d-gelatin/

http://practicingmedicinewithoutalicens ... t_chp7.pdf

Critics of Pauling appear to be conspicuously short of an amendment to the Unified Theory.
The theory demands rigorous discussion and debate among scientists worldwide. The silence is deafening.
Linus Pauling was the greatest American scientist of the 20th Century, and some classify him as one of the top 20 scientists in recorded history.

[Ralph Lotz]

https://vitaminccures.com/blog/index.ph ... -american/

Simple: You can lead the horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

How much vitamin C is required for optimum health?

HOW MUCH IS YOUR RDA?

[Jacquie]

The answer is that not all or even enough of it is recycled for optimal health, only some of it.

[ofonorow]