Lysosomal VC

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To summarize, the same plasma levels with both

This was always a problem for me since liposomes are said to bypass
the regular pathways. Yet the studies showing Identical plasma levels
were enough to convince me the lipo C was subject to the same uptake
limitations (systems)of AA.

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150% area under the curve increase of intracellular levels is about 1/3 more intracellular ascorbate absorption. Therefore to get the same effect, about 1/3 more ascorbic acid has to be used.

This however only tells what happens in lymphocytes. And with the further caveat, that Levy in this study compared sodium ascorbate to liposomal sodium ascorbate. We all know from experience that pure ascorbic acid can be up to double as effective than sodium ascorbate. So this 1/3 increase in lymphocytes may actually be nil again, when using AA instead of SA right away.

We actually aren't that much wiser with this study. The only thing it unequivocally proves is, that manifacturers claims of multiple times more absorption are simply put: completely fraudulent.

Levy himself claims 10 times more effectiveness, but only with acute infections. Most manufacturers used this to claim 10 times more absorption, which hereby has shown a marketing lie. Based on absolutely no science.

Personally didn't experience any difference from using liposomal. It might indeed may be 10 times more effective with infections. And that's where its maybe worthwile a trial. However the problem is: with my high intake of pure ascorbic acid I simply don't experience infections. So no more opportunity to trial in such as my case.

Or take the hint from a recent experience by Owen, where he treated his infection with an clorine dioxide IV, followed by an ascorbate IV. If in his experience liposomal would really help infections, I can't but think he would used the liposomal he sells in his shop right away. Alas, he didn't.

So if you're somehow still fooled by this marketing gimmick, do buy a bottle of liposomal and trial it in a case of infection. Then honestly report back your results.

I could think of only one regular use of liposomal ascorbate: Pure Polyphosphaditylcholine is bloody expensive, since that is the main other compound in liposomal acscorbate, one might get one more reasonably priced than PPC itself. Including that too tiny too be good for anything ascorbate.

Sorry for my sarkasm, but I'm really angry about all that many cheaters. And all who don't kill this myth.

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If one were to take both, should they be taken together or spaced out. Is it possible to overdose on liposomal or same rules as the normal pathways.

PPC in liposomal too has a bowel tolerance at high enough doses. Do you really want to take 10-20 grams of PPC a day? In case for that reason better take it with meals. While ascorbic acid is better taken on a empty stomach.

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Could you link to the product? Because it very unlikely is ascobic acid, but sodium bicarbonate, somewhere more hidden indicated. All liposomal I've seen on the marked are, but are sometimes wrongly labeld. Also compercial Pascorbin 'Ascorbic Acid' 7.5 ampoules for IVs, if one reads the text insert, is of course actually sodium ascorbate.

By the way, 1 g phosphatidylcholine contains about 130 mg choline.

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Could you link to the product? Because it very unlikely is ascobic acid, but sodium bicarbonate, somewhere more hidden indicated. All liposomal I've seen on the marked are, but are sometimes wrongly labeld. Also compercial Pascorbin 'Ascorbic Acid' 7.5 ampoules for IVs, if one reads the text insert, is of course actually sodium ascorbate.

By the way, 1 g phosphatidylcholine contains about 130 mg choline.

You can see it here and let me know your thoughts

https://coremedscience.com/products/lip ... o-soy-free

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Couldn't find any more. Could be just mis-naming, or they really used ascorbic acid. Interesting they say for best absorption in the small intestine don't open the capsule for taking its content in juice. While they actually also have a more expensive liquid version (which curiously specifies containing both: ascorbic acid and sodium ascorbate). But with the liquid more expensive product they don't mention inferior absorption again?!? Just:

What is the difference between the softgels and liquid vitamin C?

The liquid liposomal Vitamin C works faster than the softgels because the softgels have to open which delays onset. The liquid also has more phospholipids (PC Complex), 500 mg versus the 350 mg of the softgels. The PC complex has its own very therapeutic and nutritional effect could potentially help in lowering cholesterol, aiding in cardiovascular health, enhancing focus and alertness and balancing the autonomic nervous system. Liquid vitamin C is flavored and has an orange-citrus taste that some people find quite pleasant, but others do not like it or want to avoid because of sensitivity to stevia and fructose. Note, the liquid also has to be refrigerated after opening.

The higher PC content explains the higher price though.

If that is the case can one assume that one can take 2.5 lyposomol of this form rather than take 5g of AA non lyposomol

I actually think it possible this company doesn't provides real liposomal, just an emulsion which aids in absorption a bid too. Reason being they're using much less PC, especially in the cheaper capsules, than any other liposomal ascorbate seen. Also the curious disadvise not to open capsules: That's really the first I would do, because if it's real liposomal all ascorbic acid is encapsulated, and no acidity could be tasted at all.

I could be wrong though. The only thing sure I can say that we don't have a study comparing ascorbic acid with liposomal ascorbic acid, therefore anything is just speculation at this point.

Not all is lost. Experimenting with different products usually does expose advantage or drawbacks.

For example in my case during rhinitis season with a sneezing-fit a teaspoon of ascorbic acid within 5-10 minutes quits it. Bud sodium ascorbate doesn't. Therefore if you do have any symptoms immatiately alleviated with ascorbic acid, try if this liposmal works just as well. And then decrease doses to learn the difference.

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, I got my results yesterday and they are still high at 319 even after 18g of VC daily for 5 months and off any low carb diet ) I have also removed all my mercury fillings in November

My lipids all greatly improved on a low carb diet. Was the mercury removed properly by a informed biological dentist? - Because otherwise the still high cholesterol could be explained to the increased exposure to mercury during the removal.