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Query about IV materials
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:40 am
by ofonorow
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Adam wrote:
The good folks at the Vitamin C Foundation thought you could help. I hope so. I work in Kuwait and will be coming to the West Coast of the US soon to pick up things I cannot get in Kuwait. I have pharmaceutical grade sodium ascorbate powder waiting for me. I need to order everything else needed for a vitamin C infusion in case of illness: virus, poison, etc. I can find a RN or NP to assist as needed.
(1) The Catheter. Do you recommend a 18 or 20 gauge catheter? Terumo has a Surshield safety catheter that reduces error. Do most all catheter have the same Luer hub so almost all IV administration kits connect properly?
(2) The IV Administration Kit. I understand it should have a filter. CIAmedical.com (Central Infusion Authority) has a IV delivery administration kit (MX448FMG) with 60 inches of small bore tubing, a one way check valve, a male luer lock, and a 2 micron filter. Does that sound like it will work with a standard catheter (?) although I am concerned about the small bore tubing. Am I better off with an emergency room IV administration kit, which I saw on amazon.com, which I assume has larger bore tubing for more rapid infusion.
(3) The IV Bag. I need something I can that store easily, and that I can fill with sodium ascorbate powder and distilled water (as per Dr. Cathcart's protocol). Is there a name for this type of bag? Do you recommend 500 ML or 1 L bags? If they come with fittings, are these usually compatible with most administration kits? Is there any material I should avoid, like PVC?
Time is of the essence. I need to get all this ordered and delivered to the West Coast or Nevada within two weeks. Thanks for any recommendations. I understand I am asking for your opinion and any decisions I make are my responsibility entirely, and that I hold you harmless regardless of consequences.
All I can do is post these questions. Dr. Levy and others recommend the micron filter when starting from a dry powder sodium ascorbate. There is also ivcinfusions.com. You might call and ask them. I can't believe it makes a difference - minor details. What you do have to keep in mind is that the first step is making the stock solution 50% sodium ascorbate and 50% sterile water. This is NOT injected. If you wanted a 50 gram IV - you would put 100 CC of the stock solution (50 g vitamin C) into a IV bag of sterile water. I know when I had over 100 grams IV - it required 2 IV bags.
Surprisingly - true liposomes seem to have a miraculous effect - I would bring a lot of Lypo-C, and Levy
recommends both IV/C and Lypo-C. 5 Packets at one time is at least as effective as a 25 g IV/C.
Re: Query about IV materials
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:53 pm
by eDOC
1. I have never used a filter in 8 yrs.
2. If its 40 gms or less use 500 mL of NS, if more than 1000 mL.
3. Use a 20/22 gauge cannula.
4. Add 30-50 mL of Calcium gluconate, according to VC dose.
5. When I get some time shall post/upload a video clip of how I make a 80 gms IVC with a pH of 8 in 10 mins.
@ Owen you have a VC Trust/org.....like my Trust Hospital.......why don't you make it a paid forums & a payment for starting a thread, monetize it.......OR your Trust makes ample from Livion Labs......most members would disagree to my suggestion.......just a query?
Mercola sells his products on his site?
Personally I feel I have better results than Levy, Gonzalez or Burzynski........not trying to sound arrogant but have some other skills too..........
Re: Query about IV materials
Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:51 am
by ofonorow
Thanks eDoc - I look forward to that youtube video!
Re: Query about IV materials
Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:17 am
by eDOC
Re: Query about IV materials
Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:48 am
by eDOC
@ Owen hope you saw the pics, shall post a you tube, once am back in Orl.
Re: Query about IV materials
Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 12:08 pm
by randian
80g in 35 minutes? Dang, that's impressive. Clinics around here talk about IVC taking hours, and they're talking about much lower doses.
Re: Query about IV materials
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:10 pm
by eDOC
Have taken 100gms in the same time but with that dose my sugar drops low, at times below 50 & have to take oral drinks & plenty water or shall get a severe headache both due to hypoglycemia & dehydration.
One of clinics around us does the same & for a dose as low as 60 gms charges $500 & takes around 2-3 hrs.
Re: Query about IV materials
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:29 pm
by randian
I see lots of that overcharging/excessive time around here too. Nobody I've called has any idea about solution pH or hypo risks either. Makes me think they're dangerous quacks. I think I'm going to have to go Lipo for a while instead, unless I can find a job in Orlando
Re: Query about IV materials
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:47 pm
by eDOC
Lipo is a good option to start with. But as they say it is 4/5X oral, might be correct theoretically, but when I tried it a yr back & after taking 6/7 sachets of Lipo didn't get that effect that I get with 60-80 gms of IV.
Re: Query about IV materials
Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:01 pm
by randian
eDOC wrote:Lipo is a good option to start with. But as they say it is 4/5X oral, might be correct theoretically, but when I tried it a yr back & after taking 6/7 sachets of Lipo didn't get that effect that I get with 60-80 gms of IV.
I wouldn't expect it to, but I'm not willing to subject my body to the ministrations of the dangerously ignorant, especially when they charge beaucoup bucks. I figure a half measure is better than no measure.
Re: Query about IV materials
Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:12 am
by ofonorow
eDOC wrote:Lipo is a good option to start with. But as they say it is 4/5X oral, might be correct theoretically, but when I tried it a yr back & after taking 6/7 sachets of Lipo didn't get that effect that I get with 60-80 gms of IV.
Edoc You mentioned that your blood sugar dropped too low after a rapid 100g IVC infusion. What else could cause that except insulin? It is not clear to me how much vitamin C can stimulate insulin production.
The claim is that 5 packets Lypo-C (or 5 grams sodium ascorbate) is clinically equivalent to a 25 gram IV, and maybe up to a 50 gram IV.
And this is miraculous given that the 25 gram IV goes straight into the blood stream. 5 grams Lypo apparently has a superior entry through the cell membrane, and maybe into the mitochondria.
Re: Query about IV materials
Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:20 pm
by randian
ofonorow wrote:Edoc You mentioned that your blood sugar dropped too low after a rapid 100g IVC infusion. What else could cause that except insulin? It is not clear to me how much vitamin C can stimulate insulin production.
There's a youtube video (Cathcart?) where he mentions that IVC can cause hypoglycemia, but that VC is so much like glucose that you can run a patient at otherwise fatal glucose levels (< 30) indefinitely on IVC, so long as you gradually taper off the IVC. He mentions you should also have DX50 injections on hand in case of emergency.
Re: Query about IV materials
Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:44 pm
by eDOC
Re: Query about IV materials
Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:14 pm
by randian
Re: Query about IV materials
Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:28 am
by eDOC