need help with vein irritation please, calcium, magnesium and potassium chloride

[norvern]

The protocol suggests adding magnesium to reduce the incidence of vein irritation and spasm.

Many dosing protocols combine high-dose IVC with calcium chloride, magnesium chloride, and potassium chloride to offset these shifts

having a problem doing iv vit c to my wife with stage 4 cancer

if we try to do 50 in 2 hours, as they say, it hurts too much

so we have to slow it down to 4 hours, which is too much

to get, calcium chloride, magnesium chloride, and potassium chloride we need a prescription or pay outrageous money

does anyone know somewhere i get them at a reasonable price?

help please

[jimmylesante]

What are you using at the moment?
Is the C mixed in to a 500ml bag or 1litre?
If you sticking 50g in a 250ml bag it's gonna sting!

Also perhaps try mix it with ringers lactate/Hartmanns Solution which is like Normal Saline but also has electrolytes such as potassium and calcium chloride in.

[pamojja]

https://www.patienteninfo-service.de/a- ... onzentrat/

This is the packet insert of the magnesium I use for Mg-IVs. Use https://www.deepl.com/translator for an accurate translatiion to English. 1 packet with 5 ampoules costs only ~17,- EUR incl. import-tax ordered through a local pharmacy (Austria) from Germany. It is prescription free. And should also be available from German online pharmacies (with which I have no experience with).

[norvern]

[pamojja]

Mg-sulfate is the usual form of magnesium given against preeclamsia and deficiency as IV. Never heard of Mg-chloride being used for that.

[norvern]

per rioran, mg-chloride is the one to go for

IVC | A Common Adverse Reaction
IV site irritation may occur at the infusion site when given in a
vein and not a port
Slowing the rate of IVC infusion is always the first action step
and it typically helps
Infusion rates exceeding 1.0 gram/minute are more likely to cause
vein irritation
The Riordan Protocol adds magnesium chloride to every IVC
Magnesium reduces the incidence of vein irritation
Magnesium reduces the hypoglycemic effects of high dose IVC

https://riordanclinic.org/wp-content/up ... tation.pdf

have finally got some ringers so am putting 50cc of it into the saline iv bag to help introduce NaCl (sodium chloride), NaC3H5O3 (sodium lactate), CaCl2 (calcium chloride), and KCl (potassium chloride) ,

along with the magnesium
still have to go very very slow

help please

[ysuvorava5]

Are you using pure Vitamin C or Sodium Ascorbate? I am doing fresh IVC (Cathart's style) for both my mom and dad, 50 grams for my mother mixed in 500 ml sterile water bag and 75 grams for my dad also mixed in 500 ml sterile water bag. The infusions last between 3 to 4 hours. Anything less than 3 hours would hurt the vein. I give them potassim and magnesium pills prior to infusions. The main key here is to:

1) Use Sodium Ascorbate, NOT pure Vitamin C! Sodium Ascorbate is Ascorbate that has been buffed with Sodium. All doctors who prepared fresh "hot" IVC (Dr. Cathart, Dr. Klenner, Dr. Levy and eDoc on this forum used Sodium Ascorbate). Pure Ascorbate, even the one mixed in Ringer's solution, will eventually burn the veins. Take pure Vitamin C by mouth while doing the IVC, 2 grams of pure Vitamin C every hour to increase the elevation of Vitamin C in plasma levels.
2) Use Sterile Water. Not sure if you can get sterile water in the US, but that's what the original doctors used.
3) Slow down the IVC. 1 drop per second. Anything faster than this and it gets wasted in the urine.
4) Administer 21 days of daily IVC. After 21 days, continue infusions every 3 to 4 days weekly.
5) Measure lactate dehydrogenase (LDH), lymphocyte rations (NLR), alkaline phosphatase (ALP), and albumin levels after 15 days of IVC. Improvements are seen after sodium ascorbate injections. Neutrophil to lymphocyte ratios (NLR) proved to be a good indicator of cancer patients' survival times (high NLR, low survival). This is also true of LDH, creatinine, and glucose concentrations. IVC infusions are associated with decrease in glucose concentrations and reduction in LDH levels (which is excellent).
6) Use Cesium Chloride to help with pain. Cesium also kills cancer cells. Read the report by Keith Brewer (also called "Brewer Paper") on Cesium Chloride. Use 6 grams per day of Cesium Chloride administered in 3 doses of 2 grams each, taken immediately after eating. Cesium lowers potassium levels, so also give 2 to 4 grams of potassium (at least 500 mg of potassium with each Cesium dose).This forum has a separate cancer section that talks about Cesium.

My father has advanced stage 4 prostate cancer with mets to the bones and lungs. We are already seeing huge improvement after only 12 days of IVC! Both my father and mother experience no pain associated with IVC, but we use Sodium Ascorbate powder with Sterile Water and I prepare the solution myself according to Dr. Cathart's instructions.

[jimmylesante]

Hey where can i get 500ml bags of sterile water?
Am in the UK

[norvern]

[musashie]

Hey where can i get 500ml bags of sterile water?
Am in the UK

Use sterile water for irrigation and just inject water into bag using syringe through the injection port on empty IV bag.
Baxters sterile water for irrigation 1000ml bottles are cheap and so are empty IV bags. See attached link for IV bags that I purchased in the states.

https://www.mountainside-medical.com/co ... ee-10-pack

[jackie31fla]

My veins were getting phlebitis from the Potassium