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Re: Daily Propaganda - It just keeps on coming

Post Number:#76  Post by ofonorow » Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:43 am

Vitamin C Apparently Not Useful For Sepsis After All
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/23/970672328/vitamin-c-apparently-not-useful-for-sepsis-after-all

SEVRANSKY: None of the trials showed a difference in what they considered their primary outcome measure.



Marik says the treatment must be given sooner than it was in the studies. He now gives the infusions when people first show up in the emergency room and doesn't wait for the hours or sometimes days it takes before someone ends up in the intensive care unit.
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Post Number:#77  Post by Saw » Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:10 pm

How to build a body of evidence 101
What's the next study going to be - 100 mg IV?
All that matters to them is the headline.
No one will ever read, and most wouldn't understand
the ridiculousness of the details.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/a ... ct/2776688

6 grams over 24 hours

Interventions: Participants were randomized to receive intravenous vitamin C (1.5 g), thiamine (100 mg), and hydrocortisone (50 mg) every 6 hours (n = 252) or matching placebo (n = 249) for 96 hours or until discharge from the intensive care unit or death. Participants could be treated with open-label corticosteroids by the clinical team, with study hydrocortisone or matching placebo withheld if the total daily dose was greater or equal to the equivalent of 200 mg of hydrocortisone.
Even a Blind Squirrel makes his own vitamin C.

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Post Number:#78  Post by ofonorow » Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:57 am

The authors concluded that taking high doses of vitamins A, E, D, C, and folic acid did not always help prevent disease, and in some situations could be harmful.


I’m a Doctor and Warn You Never Take this Vitamin
https://www.eatthis.com/news-doctor-vitamins-risk/
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Post Number:#79  Post by ofonorow » Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:39 am

Vitamins and minerals aren’t risk-free. Here are 6 ways they can cause harm
https://theconversation.com/vitamins-and-minerals-arent-risk-free-here-are-6-ways-they-can-cause-harm-165399

Another example of the Big Lie campaign to scare the uniformed away from supplements.
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Post Number:#80  Post by Csquared » Wed Aug 04, 2021 1:05 pm

I just read through most of this post, and a couple of things come to mind. First, most people contributing to this forum should be dead by now if you believe all these stories and studies. And second, all these vitamins that for decades caused no harm are all of a sudden really harmful? I've never heard of a death related to too many vitamins. And if there were, the people responsible for these irresponsible studies and blatant falsehoods would be all over it saying 'I told you so'. I guess they think they can manipulate all they want, that everyone is too stupid to notice. Unfortunately in reality the stupidity or maybe a better word gullibility is proving to be true for too many people.

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Post Number:#81  Post by ofonorow » Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:36 am

Supplement warning: A vitamin B12 deficiency can worsen if you take vitamin C
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/he ... -vitamin-c

They are still at it. I wonder how much this Dr. was paid to repeat a "theory" that was debunked in Linus Paulings' 1986 book HOW TO LIVE LONGER AND FEEL BETTER? It was a flawed experiment by the quackbuster Victor Herbert, that could never be repeated...

And even if true - it isn't - more reason to fix the vitamin B12 deficiency, not stop vitamin C
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Post Number:#82  Post by ofonorow » Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:12 pm

Guess what the #1 worst supplement to take is according to this "dietician"?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/nutrition/this-is-the-supernumber1-worst-vitamin-c-supplement-to-take/ar-AAQxOx8

High dose vitamin C :twisted:

we asked registered dietitian Courtney D'Angelo, MS, RD, author at GoWellness, what she believes to be the worst type of vitamin C supplement. And according to D'Angelo, the worst type to take are those with higher dosages.
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Post Number:#83  Post by ofonorow » Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:31 am

, everyone thinks it’s [vitamin C] good for you, but an excess of this vitamin could lead to serious problems. In this case it is better to rely on herbal remedies


bass ackward.
https://d1softballnews.com/other-than-vitamin-c-this-is-the-herb-that-could-raise-the-immune-defenses-by-strengthening-the-body-against-colds/

..on the surface, sounds like a decent article, but it contains the hidden propaganda narrative - don't take too much vitamin C!
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Post Number:#84  Post by ofonorow » Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:37 am

I would be very cautious about recommending these [vitamins C/D] for [Covid]treatment when there is not strong evidence for benefit, because I do not want people to think they don’t have a need for vaccination, mask-wearing and appropriate physical distancing. Vitamins C and D and zinc are not very effective for treatment or prevention, if at all.


Title is in error and misleading. The lack of evidence is not proof of ineffectiveness.Plus, this writer is ignoring many "unproved" studies (and thus a lot of evidence) since the Covid pandemic started. People with at least some vitamin C do not expire from complete immune system malfunction. We here know that under stress, the body creates enormous drains on the body's vitamin C reservers.

Your Good Health: Vitamins not effective in treating, preventing COVID-19
https://www.timescolonist.com/life/your-good-health-vitamins-not-effective-in-treating-preventing-covid-19-4752246

I know you didn’t mention these, but since you did mention many misconceptions about COVID-19, I wanted to reiterate that there is strong evidence that ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine can be toxic, especially at high dosages, and no good evidence that they are helpful (at least at the time of this writing), so I recommend strongly against these until/unless further studies show benefit.
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Post Number:#85  Post by Blargus » Sat Nov 13, 2021 8:55 pm

Yeah "no strong evidence." Thx pamojia for c19early.com

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Post Number:#86  Post by ofonorow » Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:49 am

Great Charts Blargus! Is there one re: Vitamin C versus Covid? THANKS!
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Post Number:#87  Post by Blargus » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:29 pm

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https://c19vitaminc.com/meta.html

One of the most positive Vit. C studies used 8,000 patients and used 4G of liposomal vitamin C I think per day maybe not even divided dose.

https://www.ijbamr.com/assets/images/is ... 766641.pdf

And one of the studies that found negative results was 8 grams C and was in outpatients measured for lessening of symptoms. And it was "stopped" because of no benefit even though it says that the patients got better faster:

Patients who received usual care without supplementation achieved a 50% reduction in symptoms at a mean (SD) of 6.7 (4.4) days compared with 5.5 (3.7) days for the ascorbic acid group, 5.9 (4.9) days for the zinc gluconate group, and 5.5 (3.4) days for the group receiving both (overall P = .45).


https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamane ... le/2776305

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Post Number:#88  Post by ofonorow » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:59 am

Thank you... I was looking for that great summary (like HCA and Vitamin D) about the number of studies.. scientists.. patients.. and percent improvements.
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Post Number:#89  Post by ofonorow » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:17 pm

Vitamin C supplements: Two warning signs of 'distress' in the body due to toxicity

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1522503/vitamin-c-supplements-toxicity-symptoms

For any new readers.. any distress is caused by not having the amount of vitamin C in your system that you would otherwise have, but for the genetic defect that prevents our livers from making vitamin C out of sugar (glucose). These regular "hit pieces" are sponsored by the organizations that have the most to lose if the population understood the value of taking a lot of vitamin C.

By the way, how toxic is vitamin C? Water is more toxic... I do not know of another substance that is less toxic....
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Post Number:#90  Post by Blargus » Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:18 pm

"Distress" aaan boom there it is..."kidney stones." The what thirty year old myth still circulating.

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Too many vitamin C supplements can lead to toxicity (Image: Getty)


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