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Post Number:#1  Post by Csquared » Thu Mar 24, 2022 2:20 pm

Tomorrow I have a doctor's appt for my diabetes test results. This doc has been pushing hard for me to go on statins and despite my refusal gave me a prescription anyway for them. I actually got the prescription filled, then went on a fact finding mission on the web for all things statins, then couldn't in good conscience take them. She has requested that I bring all my diabetes meds to her so I know she wants to see a half empty bottle of statin pills. I am probably going to lose her as a doc now and here it is hard to find doctors. I need my prescriptions which they only give for a certain period of time. I have thought of emptying half the pills but I don't like dishonesty. Can she make me take what I have researched and concluded I don't want to take? I am in Canada, not sure how different it is in the USA

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Post Number:#2  Post by Blargus » Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:41 pm

Dunno if any of this is helpful, I recently heard Dr. Peter McCullough who is pretty top of his profession I believe say that doctors cannot force patients to take anything. But I dunno how intolerant some doctors are. His point was that with some treatments that you believe are not good for you you have to just say no and let the chips fall but yeah might be easier for some people than others. Maybe if doctor is a jerk about the I've heard ineffective and dangerous statins you could ask for a referral to another doc? AAPS (aapsonline.org) seem a good way to find a humane and rational doctor but a) they are more about private medicine you pay out of pocket for and b)dunno if it is any help in Canada they might know if you email them. I also have heard bad things about statins and also don't like to be dishonest. I got diagnosed with pre-diabetes and basically got the vaccine spiel and doc wanted to put me on high BP meds which are also not good I believe. Haven't been back since I think she got mad I didn't want them said she'd be back in to answer my questions but then blew me off telling the nurse to tell me to come back in 3 months :? . I personally believe I am probably better off on my own. BP getting better with kyolic and some other herbs. If statins are for lowering cholesterol kyolic garlic supplement might help do that:

The aged garlic extract 'Kyolic' lowers serum cholesterol levels in humans and experimental animals and thus is presumed to have a protective effect against atherosclerosis


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9247357

In the book "The Essiac Report" by Richard Thomas he details how Sir Frederick Banting co-discoverer of insulin had seen this particular herbal mixture (Essiac or brand name Flor Essence) cure a patient of diabetes. There is another good testimonial for Essiac and diabetes here:

https://www.essiacfacts.com/testimonial ... ssiac-tea/

Ran across this article recently I thought had some good info for diabetes with some easy dietary recommendations and the science behind them:

https://knowledgeofhealth.com/drugless- ... s-obesity/

Also water ionizers are supposed to help with diabetes based on this study which supports Dr. Batmanghelidj's assertion in his book "You're not Sick You're Thirsty" that diabetes has a hydration angle.

After drinking antioxidant water for one month, 15 diabetic patients were selected and sent to Tokyo University for further test and observations."

"Initially, the more serious patients were a bit apprehensive about the treatment. When the antioxidant water was consumed for some time, the sugar in the blood and urine ranged from a ratio of 300 mg/l to 2 mg / dc."

"There was a time where the patients had undergone 5 to 6 blood tests a day and detected to be within normal range. Results also showed that even 1 ½ hour after meals, the blood sugar and urine ratio was 100 mg/dc : 0 mg/dc.

The sugar in the urine had completely disappeared."


https://alkaline-water-facts.com/diabetes.html Reported in the book The Miraculous Properties of Ionized Water by Bob McCauley

https://waterforlifeusa.com/alkaline-wa ... -research/

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Post Number:#3  Post by ofonorow » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:53 am

Regarding the question of whether doctors can force you to take medications, effectively yes, but what if you simply forgot to bring your medications to the appointment?

Can you tell us a little bit about your diabetes? I am becoming more expert over the years. First, are you Type I (insulin dependent) or Type II (insulin resistant)?

I have come to understand that elevated blood sugar is the symptom of diabetes, but not the cause. As Thomas Smith told us long ago, healingmatters.com, fats are the main culprit, especially trans fatty acids. His web site is gone, but his major paper OUR DIABETES DECEPTION has been preserved:
http://whale.to/a/smith.html

Re: statins

Why would they recommend statins, unless they feel your cholesterol is high? In my case, on high vitamin C and lysine, my cholesterol is very very low. Too low. Total around 130 mg/dl. What is your total cholesterol?
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Post Number:#4  Post by Blargus » Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:44 pm

Thanks Owen very interesting Thomas Smith in that link saying just what Dr. Johanna Budwig (https://budwigcenter.com/how-does-the-b ... th-cancer/)said:

• Repair the faulty blood sugar control system. This is done simply by substituting clean, healthy, beneficial fats and oils in the diet for the pristine-looking but toxic trans-isomer mix found in attractive plastic containers on supermarket shelves. Consume only flax oil, fish oil and occasionally cod liver oil until blood sugar starts to stabilise. Then add back healthy oils such as butter, coconut oil, olive oil and clean animal fat.

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Post Number:#5  Post by Csquared » Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:15 am

Blargus,
Some interesting links there, especially about hydration. I like my beer, so I am constantly dehydrated.

Owen,
I am type 2 diabetic on insulin as metformin causes me so much stomach upset that I can't tolerate it.
I have really good blood pressure, they took it at my appt and it was like 116 over 78.
I try to stay away from unhealthy fats as much as I can, but they are so prevalent that it's hard to totally eliminate them.
I don't have my cholesterol numbers but they are high. Maybe I don't take enough vitamin C and Lysine. I generally take C if there is any illness and then I go right up. I know if I catch cold or flu at earliest symptoms I have a lot of success. But normally only a few grams a day otherwise. And Lysine 1000mg not every day unless I get cold sores then that 1000mg daily takes care of that.

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Post Number:#6  Post by ofonorow » Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:23 am

Csquared wrote:Owen,
I am type 2 diabetic on insulin as metformin causes me so much stomach upset that I can't tolerate it.

I don't have my cholesterol numbers but they are high. Maybe I don't take enough vitamin C and Lysine. I generally take C if there is any illness and then I go right up. I know if I catch cold or flu at earliest symptoms I have a lot of success. But normally only a few grams a day otherwise. And Lysine 1000mg not every day unless I get cold sores then that 1000mg daily takes care of that.


I may start calling this tact or attitude the Bill Sardi Trap. Bill, one of the greatest writers and advocates for alternative medicine died early - by ignoring Linus Pauling. You'll notice, as discussed in this thread: https://vitamincfoundation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15395, that Sardi didn't follow Pauling's advice and took at most 1 g of lysine daily.

From that thread, the correspondent who knew Sardi mentions:


I helped a family friend who had a stent to go on the Pauling Therapy, along with IV EDTA Chelation. He was desperate because his doctors REFUSED him Quadruple Bypass Surgery that they said he needed, but would not survive … that’s how bad off he was. So they left him for dead.

Being armed with knowledge of the Pauling Therapy, I advised him to go on the 2 Jar per Month therapeutic dose. I sent him a number of links so he would understand that it would likely work. I later discovered that he was so excited about it he now uses 4 Jars per month !!

He’s been doing great for almost two years now.


Back to you as a Type 2. Everyone who has followed Thomas Smith's advice, and reported back, has lowered their blood sugar without drugs, and thus "cured" their Type II diabetes.

Smith revealed the research showing Type II is a problem with cell membranes. They become "clogged" when unhealthy fats are used for the ongoing and constant repair process. Sugars are prevented from entering cells. His protocol includes eliminating ALL fats, and then, as the cells repair themselves, to introduce limited and only healthy fats.

While you are eliminating fats, do not be afraid of fruits. In other words,this understanding means that glucose does not cause Type II; the problem arises because glucose is unable to penetrate your cells, leaving higher levels in the blood. In TYPE II diabetes, the cells aren't getting fueled with the glucose needed to run the cell.
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Re: uncomfortable doctor's appt (Type II Diabetes)

Post Number:#7  Post by Csquared » Fri Apr 01, 2022 10:49 am

Owen,
My understanding and in fact my first hand experimentation is that we need fats. I tried a low fat diet and when I went too low I didn't feel too good. And the effect on my blood sugar was initially good. There was a lowering of the amount of insulin I needed, but it hit a wall and didn't get any better after a point even though I stuck to the diet. I could point to biochemical individuality but diabetes should react the same if the harmful fat theory is true. I'm willing to give it another go as I do believe that unhealthy fats are a very bad thing, as you can see that the diabetes epidemic has a way too close of a correlation with the introduction and prevalence of seed oils.

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Post Number:#8  Post by ofonorow » Fri Apr 01, 2022 1:09 pm

A couple of red flags. No one is suggesting that you abolish fats on a long-term bsis. The total reduction/elimination of fats is a temporary therapy that allows your damaged cell membranes to rebuild themselves - correctly, with the proper (usually omega--3) fats.

The body constantly rebuilds cell membranes, otherwise our cells would deflate like a punctured balloon. The process uses whatever fats are available, and the idea is to only make good fatty acids available. The time it takes to rebuild membranes varies depending on how many "damaged" membranes have to be repaired. You know you are making progress and that they are repaired as the blood sugar (the indicator) goes down.

The other "red flag" is a TYPE II diabetic taking insulin. Is there are reason?
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Post Number:#9  Post by Csquared » Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:23 pm

As I stated, I am unable to take metformin and probably most other diabetic drugs. There is a lady who pours through the research on diabetes drugs name of Jenny Ruhl. She has a website where she shows which drugs are safe and which aren't based on this research. Most of the drugs have a higher than normal risk of bad outcomes. Cancer, heart disease, etc. My doctor keeps trying to get me on some of these drugs but I refuse after checking them out. Ozempic was the last one she attempted to get me on.

Jenny's website:
http://www.bloodsugar101.com

As for the low fat diet, like I said I would be willing to try it again. I'll try anything really to get this under control, before I get to the awful part of the disease: amputations, blindness, heart attack, kidney disease, etc.

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Re: uncomfortable doctor's appt (Type II Diabetes)

Post Number:#10  Post by ofonorow » Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:19 am

Its not a low fat diet. And you avoided the question

There was a lowering of the amount of insulin I needed,


Insulin is for Type I diabetes - which is a disease of the pancreas. These folks are unable to make insulin and require it for life.

Type II is a disease of cell membranes. If not all your cells are damaged, then taking insulin would, in theory, push glucose into healthy cells, lowering sugar, but perhaps harming these cells? The insulin would not necessarily push glucose into the cells where the GLUT (insulin) receptors are clogged and not functioning. Insulin might be contraindicated.

Of course, some people are both Type I (insulin deficient) and Type 2 (insulin resistant).

If you haven't read Thomas Smith's article "Our Diabetes Deception" article, you should read it. If you don't understand is protocol, we can try to discuss it. Again, it sounds like your primary disease is a cell membrane disease. The body repairs all membranes - over time. The Smith protocol ensures that the repair process uses the correct fats. (As you say, following a low fat diet seemed to lower your blood sugar.)

What to eat? Lots of organic fruits and vegetables. Especially leafy green varieties.



Added... Here is the relevant part of the Smith article http://whale.to/a/smith.html

Alternative Treatments.


Alternative Medical Treatment
The third step to a cure for this disease is to become informed and to apply an alternative methodology that is soundly based upon good science.

Effective alternative treatment that directly leads to a cure is available today for some Type I and for many Type II diabetics. About 5% of the diabetic population suffers from Type I diabetes; about 95% has Type II diabetes.22 Gestational diabetes is simply ordinary diabetes contracted by a woman who is pregnant.



The goal of any effective alternative program is to repair and restore the body's own blood-sugar control mechanism. It is the malfunctioning of this mechanism that, over time, directly causes all of the many debilitating symptoms that make orthodox treatment so financially rewarding for the diabetes industry. For Type II diabetes, the steps in the program are:24

• Repair the faulty blood sugar control system. This is done simply by substituting clean, healthy, beneficial fats and oils in the diet for the pristine-looking but toxic trans-isomer mix found in attractive plastic containers on supermarket shelves. Consume only flax oil, fish oil and occasionally cod liver oil until blood sugar starts to stabilise. Then add back healthy oils such as butter, coconut oil, olive oil and clean animal fat. Read labels; refuse to consume cheap junk oils when they appear in processed food or on restaurant menus. Diabetics are chronically short of minerals; they need to add a good-quality, broad-spectrum mineral supplement to the diet.

• Control blood sugar manually during the recovery cycle. Under medical supervision, gradually discontinue all oral hypoglycaemic agents along with any additional drugs given to counteract their side effects. Develop natural blood-sugar control by the use of glycaemic tables, by consuming frequent small meals (including fibre-rich foods), by regular post-prandial exercise, and by the complete avoidance of all sugars along with the judicious use of only non-toxic sweeteners.25 Avoid alcohol until blood sugar stabilises in the normal range. Keep score by using a pinprick-type glucose meter. Keep track of everything you do with a medical diary.

• Restore a proper balance of healthy fats and oils when the blood sugar controller again works. Permanently remove from the diet all cheap, toxic, junk fats and oils as well as the processed and restaurant foods that contain them. When the blood sugar controller again starts to work correctly, gradually introduce additional healthy foods to the diet. Test the effect of these added foods by monitoring blood sugar levels with the pinprick-type blood sugar monitor. Be sure to include the results of these tests in your diary also.

• Continue the program until normal insulin values are also restored after blood sugar levels begin to stabilise in the normal region. Once blood sugar levels fall into the normal range, the pancreas will gradually stop overproducing insulin. This process will typically take a little longer and can be tested by having your physician send a sample of your blood to a lab for a serum insulin determination. A good idea is to wait a couple of months after blood sugar control is restored and then have your physician check your insulin level. It's nice to have blood sugar in the normal range; it's even nicer to have this accomplished without excess insulin in the bloodstream.

• Separately repair the collateral damage done by the disease. Vascular problems caused by a chronically elevated glucose level will normally reverse themselves without conscious effort. The effects of retinopathy and of peripheral neuropathy, for example, will usually self repair. However, when the fine capillaries in the basement membranes of the kidneys begin to leak due to chronic high blood glucose, the kidneys compensate by laying down scar tissue to prevent the leakage. This scar tissue remains even after the diabetes is cured, and is the reason why the kidney damage is not believed to self repair.

A word of warning… When retinopathy develops, there may be a temptation to have the damage repaired by laser surgery. This laser technique stops the retinal bleeding by creating scar tissue where the leaks have developed. This scar tissue will prevent normal healing of the fine capillaries in the eye when the diabetes is reversed. By reversing the diabetes instead of opting for laser surgery, there is an excellent chance that the eye will heal completely. However, if laser surgery is done, this healing will always be complicated by the scar tissue left by the laser.

The arterial and vascular damage done by years of elevated sugar and insulin and by the proliferation of systemic candida will slowly reverse due to improved diet. However, it takes many years to clean out the arteries by this form of oral chelation. Arterial damage can be reversed much more quickly by using intravenous chelation therapy.26 What would normally take many years through diet alone can often be done in six months with intravenous therapy. This is reputed to be effective over 80% of the time. For obvious reasons, don't expect your doctor to approve of this, particularly if he's a heart specialist.

Recovery Time
The prognosis is usually swift recovery from the disease and restoration of normal health and energy levels in a few months to a year or more. The length of time that it takes to effect a cure depends upon how long the disease was allowed to develop.
For those who work quickly to reverse the disease after early discovery, the time is usually a few months or less. For those who have had the disease for many years, this recovery time may lengthen to a year or more. Thus, there is good reason to get busy reversing this disease as soon as it becomes clearly identified.

By the time you get to this point in this article, and if we've done a good job of explaining our diabetes epidemic, you should know what causes it, what orthodox medical treatment is all about, and why diabetes has become a national and international disgrace.

Of even greater importance, you have become acquainted with a self-help program that has demonstrated great potential to actually cure this disease.



• Insulin
Today, insulin is prescribed for both the Type I and Type II diabetics. Injectable insulin substitutes for the insulin that the body no longer produces. Of course, this treatment, while necessary for preserving the life of the Type I diabetic, is highly questionable when applied to the Type II diabetic.

It is important to note that neither insulin nor any of these oral hypoglycaemic agents exerts any curative action whatsoever on any type of diabetes. None of these medical strategies is designed to normalise the cellular uptake of glucose by the cells that need it to power their activity.

The prognosis with this orthodox treatment is increasing disability and early death from heart or kidney failure or the failure of some other vital organ.


For the Type I diabetic, an alternative methodology for the treatment of Type I diabetes is now available. It was developed in modern hospitals in Madras, India, and subjected to rigorous double-blind studies to prove its efficacy.23 It operates to restore normal pancreatic beta cell function so that the pancreas can again produce insulin as it should. This approach apparently was capable of curing Type I diabetes in over 60% of the patients on whom it was tested. The major complication lies in whether the antigens that originally led to the autoimmune destruction of these beta cells have disappeared from or remain in the body. If they remain, a cure is less likely; if they have disappeared, the cure is more likely. For reasons already discussed, this methodology is not likely to appear in the United States any time soon, and certainly not in the American orthodox medical community.
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