And to everyone else, I appreciate the report of "side effects" taking higher doses of B5... (And unless there are pure powders, some may be due to the fillers or elevated calcium.) But johnyascorbate's case is interesting! (And reminds me of people who use coffee to fall asleep. We are all different.)
johnyascorbate wrote:ofonorow wrote:
I have already lost 4 inches around my waist.
That's amazing. How long have you been on B5, how many calories would you say you are consuming per day, and how long will it take you to hit your target weight?
I started Pantethine around July 23rd. (I made a post in the testosterone topic. I said I felt like a 20-year old the next morning.) However, until the "butt pucks" are ready, I don't have a good calorie count. I started with 2-3 days of fasting, which turned out to be easy (because Leung mentioned that most people go into ketosis after 2-3 days of fasting. I was trying to jump start the fat burning process) , but social obligations have interfered so I don't really consider myself to be on a calorie restriction yet. Once the stomach is stretched..sigh.. The people in the study are apparently losing what Leung reported. He said about 2 lbs per week. There is an increase in water weight (as you must keep hydrated burning fat) but our clothes are not fitting and people have already commented that I have seemed to have lost weight. Less than one month. We have a prototype online study tool, so I can monitor the progress - weight loss is occurring, and it is slow and steady. My target weight (when I was in the Air Force
is 50 lbs less than I am now, so 25 weeks (if only 2 lbs per week) or 6 months. Something tells me that when I begin restricting calories - it will only require 4 months. No one has reported any side effects.I was on pantothenic acid for a short while and had some great benefits but ran into some problems early on. I encountered this same problem while attempting high dose niacinamide. This may sound weird but my body holds on to Riboflavin from the B Complex for much longer than it has any business doing, regardless of how much water I drink. I could drink 2 gallons of water and my urine is still yellow from the B2. Without taking B3 or B5, my urine does get yellow from the B2 in the complex, but a few hours later it will become diluted, which is normal. I did ask Johnwen, and he said the amount of riboflavin I'm receiving is very high and poorly excreted through the urine. I understand that, but without taking B2 or B5 my urine is normal a few hours later. I also have mild gastro symptoms on the B5 and B3. Because of these two symptoms, I am no longer taking B5, which sucks because I know I'm missing out on some benefits- but I don't feel good. I don't know if something is wrong with kidneys(there is not) or why the extra high dose of either B5 or B3 is for some reason keeping the B2 in the body. I tried switching to pantethine, but ran into the same problem. I know I could stop taking the B complex/Multi to avoid the urine problem, but I shouldn't have to deprive my body of the B vitamins.
I don't mean to hijack to topic, but this does relate to my B5 experience, and B5 is side effect free in just about everyone except me.
Owen, does this happen to you? Are you peeing yellow from the B2 in the Complex/Multi all day while taking the high dose B5?
If Johnwen or eDoc have any more suggestions, I'm open to anything.
First, if you decide to try NOW foods Conenzyme A, I would appreciate a report on what happens to your urine and whether you have the same gastro problems. (Studying the absorption pattern of a CoA supplement is on my "list" and you have a unique way of evaluating whether there is value in the complete conenzyme.)
Now if the urine is yellow, doesn't that mean that you are spilling B3 - riboflavin? Or that without B3/B5, your body holds on to B2? Not being an expert in the B complex - well named - and after reading Leung, (before his CoA explanation, it was noticed that increasing B vitamins (maybe B12 and B6) sometimes made acne worse!) I think you should provide what the body needs in ample amounts. Leung's explanation was that these other 2 B vitamins could start metabolic functions that used up the available B5 - creating the symptom of acne. We often read that you should take the B-vitamins in combination, as a complex, rather than alone. And if you do have some special genetic anomaly, most of genetic syndromes that I am aware of require more, not less, of certain vitamins. So spilling B2 would indicate to me (since you have a visual cue) to take more B2 - but also increase Niacin and B5 (and make sure B6 and B12 and biotin are also in good supply). As far as the gastro upset - maybe some kind of enteric coated B-complex?
