ofonorow wrote:If you find a good way - let us know.
There used to be a combination blood pressure machine/laptop called CardioVision that measured arterial stiffness with a series of rapid blood pressure measurements. I have no idea whether this machine is currently available. (It was the test that led us to our personal discovery of the importance of vitamin K in reducing arterial stiffness.)
Apparently, ultrasounds are so good these days that plaques - and their disappearance - can be accurately monitored. There have even been suggestions that we offer ultrasound machines so that our customers can "prove" the benefit of Pauling's therapy.
Perhaps the answer is to design a study around a practice who is willing to use ultrasound for this purpose?
Definitely will let everyone know if I find a cheap way to measure arterial stiffness
I looked for Cardio vision around my area and found this:
http://www.devicewatch.org/reports/cardiovision.shtmlSeveral studies have examined the impact of various factors on arterial elasticity and whether arterial stiffness is an independent risk factor for cardiovascular disease. So far, no clinical studies have demonstrated that the CardoVision or any similar device can usefully guide patient management and improve clinical outcomes. Even worse, a study of adults who had five consecutive measurements taken five minutes apart on a single day and repeated about five months later demonstrated that CardioVision measurements varied too much to be trustworthy [3].
For these reasons, leading medical professional organizations
do not recommend arterial flexibility tests for cardiovascular disease assessment and insurance companies regard them as experimental and don't knowingly pay for their use [4].
FDA Status
I couldnt find a reason for what I bolded, even if cardiovision doesnt work, as that "study" suggests, why not find another way to measure arterial stiffness?>
ofonorow wrote:Again, this is the vitamin C foundation.... We are not claiming to be experts in vitamin K, only enthused by its anti calcification and anti-aging properties.
For the record, when my friend Bill Decker added vitamin K to his diet - he got it from a health store and it was only a few hundred micrograms - and yet, his arterial stiffness and blood pressure both dropped into normal range after one year. (This was a lot lower dosage than he would have in the LEF Super-K). This gives me some confidence that even low dosages can have a mighty effect.
I know that Dr. Levy's new book DEATH BY CALCIUM recommends high levels of various forms of vitamin K2, and as per our attitude to other vitamins, we have no objection what-so-ever to these dosages. And we hope people will report their experiences here.
But in the Life Extension meta analysis and the studies I have read, it is not clear cut that one form is that much better than the other for the anti-calcification effect. There are studies showing that K1 has the anti-soft tissue calcification effect (and it may very well be that it is because of the conversion in the gut to K2 as suggested).
So I recommend Super-K because of the mixture, relatively high dosage compared to vitamin K products in vitamin stores, and because my wife (and I) have no evidence of caclium in our arteries. Her recent scan (age 60) was zero. We take one Super-K
daily.
I understand what you are saying.
What scan did you and your wife have to determine no calcium in your arteries?
I am curious to get this for my parents, as my Dad isnt "Fat", he has low cholestrol)(total 114) which might be good, BUT Dr davis (wheat belly)
introduced the "Rule of 60" which is basically to get your
1. LDL < 60
2. HDL > 60
3. Triglycerides < 60
and my Dad is not below/above 60...and he has high e2, low T, A-fib, so I worry
Dr. Esselstyn's (Forks Over knives) says
drop your total cholesterol below 150 and LDL less than 80.--which my dad has done.
Both guys are big proponents of eating food(plants) that increase nitric oxide in the blood.
Which makes sense, as a plant diet, inadvertently gives a person move Vitamin C...so maybe the vitamin C is the key, BUT the other issues, (testosterone/estrogen/bodyfat/working out/) play a big role also.
I'd like to see a morbidly obese person who takes 15+grams vitamin C/lysine/vitamin K and is shown to have no stiffness in his arteries.
http://www.newlinemedical.com/CardioVision.htmlThe site that sells cardiovision has studies that prove it works.
Recently, mom had an X-ray of her neck/shoulder for a some other reason and the MD saw a bit of plaque in her carotid, he told her it was nothing to worry about, I gave her some of my stash of Vit C and lysine(she won't take niacin) but why not use X-rays to support Pauling therapy? Esselstyn states that his patients have cleared out between 10-30% of their arterial plaque just through following his dietary advice. I'm not sure how this is measured. I'll look into it when I have time.