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ofonorow wrote:[color=#000080]Welcome to the Twilight Zone.. It can be lonely, as THEY have been able to frame vitamin C in the same way that UFO's have been framed to the public, making people afraid to talk about them. Thank you Linus Pauling for telling the truth!
I think Irwin Stone was on the right track with his book THE HEALING FACTOR (http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/stone/). His thesis was that we all suffer from the same genetic disease. In fact every vitamin we require in our diet is due to some ancient mutation that was overcome because the molecule was available in the diet as food. Vitamin C is different as shown by the few species there are alive today who lost the ability to make it.
What you are saying is we need vitamin C.
I think everyone knows that
ofonorow wrote:What you are saying is we need vitamin C.
I think everyone knows that
Do they? Do people these days know how important it is, say for their child, to SUPPLEMENT vitamin C, or are they brainwashed to think they get enough in food?
Pauling agrees that a mere 10 mg can prevent frank scurvy.
The argument is how much past the miniscule vitamin dosages is required. The argument spans orders of magnitude!
With authority of the RDA (lets say) 100 mg, our recommendation of 3000 mg, and Pauling's recommendation of 6000 to 18000 mg.
ofonorow wrote:While I applaud your attempts to read the existing science, I highly recommend a book that should cure you of the desire to read today's medical "science.". True science works, but what medicine call science is often propaganda to market pharmaceutical products. It has to be good enough to fool quite a few intelligent people - medical doctors. I highly recommend the book TARNISHED GOLD (by Hickey/Roberts lulu.com/ascorbate).
As a test, Do you believe that a study with a large number of subjects is better science or a small study with far fewer subjects? (Answer at the bottom).
For me, any understanding the basic value in what you are looking at, the Hickey book is a must!
Back to this topic. There are lots of statements that simply are not true in this post.
#1. Vitamin C does not raise blood sugar! (In my own case, while I was following Pauling and taking 18,000 mg, my blood sugar on professional lab tests was always 90 mg/dl on the button. For many many years.)
Realize that if the blood concentration of vitamin C is 1.5 mg/dl (max) and glucose is 90 mg/dl, then vitamin C is only 1% of blood compared to glucose and almost impossible to raise for more than 30 minutes (before the kidneys do their job).
IV/C dosages have been measured to raise blood concentrations by thousands of times, and these concentrations can effect some glucose meters (which register both glucose and ascorbate.)
So your dad has no worried that vitamin C might raise his sugar. As you mention, vitamin C is good for Type II diabetics. Perhaps you should start a topic on lowering blood sugar? We have discussed that here at length, but not in a single post.
I haven't mentioned this in a while, hope the web site is still there, but a fellow cured his own Type II diabetes by looking at the old (buried) scientific literature. The story and his protocol (basically avoid trans fats) used to be at healingmatters.com. Yes Thomas Smith is still there and this is the article I saw in a magazine that led me to Smith's web site. http://healingmatters.com/deception.htm
#2 If high vitamin C (GULO-Replacement) caused one to retain too much Iron, why am I of all people anemic? Low iron and my doctor recommends iron supplements. This leads into a discussion of Russell Jaffee and vitamin C's special affinity for metals (which allows vitamin C to grab metals such as lead, iron, mercury, etc. - and help the body get rid of them through the urine.) Copper is an interesting question, but not here and not now.
#3 I'll deal with the cholesterol issue in another post, but Pauling cites Ginter (many of his abstracts in our Clinical Studies forum) and determined that in humans, high vitamin C will normalize cholesterol to 180 mg/dl. It is uncanny how many people on vitamin C report that number, including myself for many many years.
Answer to trivia question.
Small studies can measure large effects.
The massive studies usually conducted in medicine are so big because the effects are usually so small.
These massive studies are not "science" because they cannot be repeated by other scientists. A basic tenet of the scientific method.
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