Vitamin C Forum

I Just implemented autoship on Ascorcine-9 and made initial purchase of VCF Ascorbade. My question: To reduce total cholesterol 282, LDL 191, HDL 64, do I have the best combination of products? and if not, please suggest those that would produce fastest results, and the dosage(s).

I've been cautioned (lay people) that too much vitamin C thickens arteries, and I've also read that there is no evidence, if this were the case, of heart attacks, strokes, etc., which there surely would have been.

I've used Tower Heart Technology products in the past -- made the mistake of not continuing on. There is no Vitamin C out there that compares.

Thanks,
Ms. F. G.

Your cholesterol numbers indicate to me that you are not taking the optimal amount of vitamin C. Each serving of A-9 provides 3000 mg and each serving of Ascorbade provides 4000 mg of vitamin C as ascorbic acid.

While I might cut those serving sizes in half, and take twice as frequently, I'd also consider adding some vitamin C in between. Optimally, 500 mg or 1 g every 4 hours between servings.

I take around 20,000 mg of vitamin C daily (mostly ascorbic acid). My total cholesterol is below 160 mg/dl, which is a little scary (low) but I feel fine.

The more you take and tolerate, the faster your cholesterol will come down.

As far as "thickening" the arteries, tell your friends that is exactly what you want - from increased collagen, not from plaque. The USC story made news, but they were not measuring narrowing - just arterial thickness.

Read Thomas Levy's STOP AMERICA'S #1 KILLER livonbooks.com to understand
why thicker arteries are what you want (less chance of rupturing leading to a clot and/or heart attack)

The best supplement that I have found that lowers cholesterol is Mito-Gold.
It is one of the few supplements that contains delta tocotrienols:

Delta Tocotrienol

Tocotrienols belong to the Vitamin E family of compounds, containing four tocopherols and four tocotrienols, each with the designation of alpha, beta, gamma, and delta.

For antioxidant, cholesterol lowering, the prevention and/or treatment of cardiovascular disease and anti-cancer effects, the tocotrienols (T3s), especially delta-tocotrienol (delta T3) exert the most significant effects. (1)

Tocotrienols are more valuable than tocopherols in protecting the interior cell membranes, such as those that surround the cell nucleus and mitochondria, because of their greater ease in being incorporated into cellular membranes. (1, 2)

Of all forms of tocotrienols, delta-tocotrienol has proven to be by far the most powerful antioxidant of the entire vitamin E family.

delta T3 is more effective at accumulating in cells compared to other tocotrienols and the most effective member of the vitamin E family for reducing endothelial expression of adhesion molecules, thereby preventing the accumulation of inflammatory cells within the arterial wall. (3, 3a)

delta T3 is the most potent tocotrienol to activate anticancer effects and in inducing apoptosis (cell deaths) of human breast cancer cells. (4-6)

delta T3 inhibits the excessive aggregation of blood platelets much more effectively than vitamin E or other tocotrienols.

delta T3 has been shown to offer dramatic cholesterol lowering when it is taken in isolated form, without tocopherols present.

delta T3 inhibits the liver enzyme HMG-CoA reductase - the same enzyme inhibited by the statin drugs and red yeast rice. (7)

delta T3 significantly lowers triglyceride levels, reverse insulin resistance and decreases C-reactive protein

(a risk index for cardiovascular inflammation). (8)

delta T3 lowers both cardiovascular risk and metabolic syndrome risk ratios.

delta T3 increases the body\'s endogenous CoQ10. (9)

delta T3 inhibits the liver enzyme HMG-CoA reductase - the same enzyme inhibited by the statin drugs and red yeast rice. (7)

Oh no, wouldn't this start the chain reaction of adverse side effects just like statin drugs?

This leads us back to an old conversation - why doesn't vitamin C harm us by inhibiting HMG CoA reductase? If the facts that Ralph lists are correct, then the answer is that this does not inhibit CoQ10, but instead promotes it.

The question is how?

Ralph Lotz wrote:The best supplement that I have found that lowers cholesterol is Mito-Gold.
. (9)

whats the best supplement to lower blood pressure?

I find that niacin is best for lowering my cholesterol.

journeys wrote:I find that niacin is best for lowering my cholesterol.

How much do you take? How much has it lowered your cholesterol? from what to what?

I take anywhere from 1250mg-1750mg/day. My HDL usually is .95mm, with niacin it raises to 1.45mm, or higher.
LDL is usually 5.2mm, drops tp 3.5mm, overall ratio/factor is under 5, which is around 7.

double post

People with the highest cholesterol live the longest!

Vitamin C also increases breakdown of cholesterol in the liver. If vitamin C inhibits HMG CoA reductase, it may be that it is a very weak inhibition or it may be that it does so to a certain degree depending on/and/or under certain conditions.

Ralph Lotz.

Could you please give me the references you use in your post of Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:04 pm?

The best supplements to lower blood pressure are:
Fish or Cod Liver Oil, Vitamin D3, Magnesium, B6, Vitamin C and NAC (N-Acetylcysteine)