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popnowlin wrote:I lost a lot of weight at first with low carbs, but now I've hit a plateau for months. According to this book, carbs are OK, but fat is not? Before I make another radical change in my diet, and grocery buying habits, I need to know which is which and I'm frankly confused. I'm not interested in following the next fad down the rabbit hole.
And I am buoyed by the fact that after only 3 days, many of my issues have been resolved!. And I started to lose weight - again. 3 days. Biblical.
dectiri wrote:Owen... perhaps this 'new' Edgar Cayce has some problem with his hearing, as i am agreed that it may be that in generations passed, the biblical content was not quite what was relayed to the writer, and produced that book full of primitive ideas along with other 'stuff' not so primitive as to be credibly arrived at without some 'help'.... so i'd CANCEL THE IDEA OF INFALLIBILITY..... as far as what he writes is concerned.......
FACT: One of the common features of the BLUE ZONES is that those people consume OLIVE OIL [extra virgin of course] in amounts that shocked me at first... ONE PINT PER PERSON PER WEEK.... got that figure yet? That amounts to a bit more than ONE OUNCE PER DAY PER PERSON... try putting that in your 10% figuring.. right there, just that one source of fats is over 300 calories per day...... AND THOSE PEOPLE LIVE TO A VIGOROUS HEALTHY 90 SOME YEARS OLD WITH A FREQUENCY OF OVER 30%.. sans prescription meds by the dozen bottles as is barely managed for such ages here..... so.......
Let's look at another PERCENT
THE CHINA STUDY... showed a safety from cancer and heart disease in those who LIMITED THEIR ANIMAL PROTEIN TO UNDER 10%... well animal protein is necessarily [short of weird frankenscience food] accompanied by animal fats... and in larger quantities than the protein components of those foods, you may notice... hence i'd suggest there's some limit on animal fat that exceeds by some modest margin the China Study 10%......... But that LIBERATES YOU [and the Blue Zone people] to indulge in KETO LEVEL FATS OF PLANT ORIGIN..... enter the world of us olive oil and NUT LOVERS, rotfl...... pun intended?
Maybe we can induce some of the group of our orthomolecular wizards to put together a program of CONTINUING EDU for MDs to answer the need for a strategic entity to build a network from with these added Keto Blue Zone and China Study ideas added to the Naturopathy [maybe Cayce too] including HBOT and ENERGY MEDICINE [Beck, Tennant, and Oschman] and let those graduates add the letters OND onto their list of credentials... and maybe we'll see enough proliferation of such people to enable so many more of us to have local such resources even in the hospital.... looking forward to that day....... ttyl, so enjoy those fats and thrive, as your brain will love it...... ttys
I am a founder of the nonprofit Vitamin C Foundation (vitamincfoundation.org) and a follower of the late Linus Pauling. I'm lazy. I recognized that for a human being, there was no better source of knowledge than Pauling. So rather than read and understand the entire body of scientific knowledge, especially as it related to vitamin C, I simply parroted Pauling. I know see that what I did is something like what you are doing by relying on Spirit. I would say and write seemingly ludicrous thing knowing no matter how wrong it sounded, I was saying the same thing this genius had said. For example, Linus Pauling said that heart disease is caused by a lack of vitamin C.
Csquared wrote:Owen,
Did you not read pamoji's post on being low fat for 30 years and having all those health problems including fatty liver? That should give you great pause about recommending a one size fits all diet. Your success with low fat underscores my previous point about using a diet suited for your unique biochemistry. Which invalidates your medical medium. It is your black swan. Clearly higher fat diets create many health benefits for certain people who are biochemically different than you.
Also am I reading a different book than you? In my copy he states 15% fat is the healthy amount, and you keep quoting 10%
Dan
ofonorow wrote:Great points, and I will recheck on the 10% versus 15%. However, pamojja's anecdotal case doesn't really make a statement one way or the other. I was surprised to learn that he still has great difficulties, and posts about them at various forums, it was kind of a shock to learn that he is still "unwell."
The following benefits came from changing from 30 years of low-fat to the last 10 years of high fat:
first of all: reversing a 60% walking disability from PAD,
.. a cystitis circumscripta of the bladder,
.. a fatty liver,
.. 2 non-circulated nodules on the right edge of the liver (5 + 8mm),
.. one additional tubercle (6mm) of the left lung; the older of the right lung (9mm) remaining (haven't checked a long time)
.. and a chronic bronchitis, while the at that time diagnosed COPD remained asymptomatic.
keep prediabetes,
.. hay-fever,
.. and CKD stage 1 in check,
cease psoriasis and retinal migraine flare-ups,
.. angina-like chest pains and muscle cramps,
.. and the remaining CFS symptoms.
provide sun-burn protection without suncream.
You are not impressed by the main arguments in the book Liver Rescue then?
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