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New Vit C XM (Maintenance) powder

Post by ofonorow » Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:55 pm

Good morning and happy Sunday,

I have a question about the new vitamin C powder. Are you recommending that as opposed to the original Cardio C? I like the fact that it’s less sweet and does not have Stevia. From the email, it sounds like the proline isn’t necessary because our body makes enough. I definitely need the lysine.

If you believe it is a comparable or better product, I would like to change my auto ship order.

Thank you for your help! If you have any questions, please call me. Otherwise, please let me know in an email response that you received my request.

Have a beautiful Sunday! God bless!

The new XM (maintenance) formula is designed for long-term Pauling-therapy maintenance, and if your Lp(a) is measured low, it is a good choice.
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Re: New Vit C XM (Maintenance) powder

Post by ofonorow » Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:58 pm

Hello!

I am interested in in Cardio-C again, but I need a vitamin C preparation for those with elevated Lp(a). My Lp(a) is elevated due to inherited mutations from both parents. Please advise.

In your situation, you would definitely want to remain on the original Cardio-C formula, w/proline. Note, the new Cardio--C XL (extra large) contains proline and is our best value, offering twice the servings of regular Cardio-C and saving roughly 30% of the cost of two jars Cardio-C.

If you did want to go with XM product, you should find a separate rouse of proline.
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Re: New Vit C XM (Maintenance) powder

Post by ofonorow » Tue Jun 11, 2024 6:50 pm

Cardio-C XM Product
uses dextrose...a gmo from corn or wheat
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The glucose (Dextrose Monohydrate) used in Cardio-C XM is Non-GMO!
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Re: New Vit C XM (Maintenance) powder

Post by ofonorow » Tue Jun 11, 2024 6:58 pm

We have asked about warnings for diabetics given the glucose in the XM product.

We cover this in detail on the product page

https://vitaminc.foundation/wp/cardio-c-xm-w-glucose/

Here is the current contents of the relevant section:

Glucose

The Medical Medium explains that glucose is an essential nutrient, on the order of oxygen and water, required for healing and energy.

Organs such as the heart, liver, brain and all muscles rely on glucose for ongoing energy and healing.

The body can not survive without glucose. Brain health is especially dependent on glucose. And nutrients cannot enter cells without the Insulin which is a hormone that glucose stimulates our pancreas to produce.

Note: D-glucose (aka dextrose) is not the same as sucrose – table sugar.

Note: Fruits are the ideal source of glucose. This product is designed to be added to a healthy (low added sugar) fruit smoothie in the morning, but XM can also be mixed in water or juice..

Glucose will not make you fat.

Fructose found in ordinary table sugars (i.e., sucrose) does signal the liver to create fat.

Note to Diabetics

Diabetics have the same requirements for glucose as other people, however, they have an insulin “disturbance” that prevents cellular uptake of glucose from the bloodstream.

Type 1 diabetics should consider one serving the equivalent of 5-10 grams of “sugar” when computing their insulin requirements.

Type 2 diabetics have a cellular membrane disturbance blocking the uptake of glucose (and other nutrients) into cells. The Medical Medium informs us that this “insulin resistance” is caused by, and can be minimized by minimizing fat in the diet.

Jeffrey Bland tells us that taking 300 mg of Alpha-Lipoic-Acid (ALA), 3 to 4 times daily controls blood sugar in Type 2 diabetics.

https://rumble.com/v4p92ml-alpha-lipoic ... etics.html

We recommend taking Cardio-C™ (XM) first thing in the morning, when fat in the blood stream should be minimal, or 2 hours before or after meals.

Fats reach the blood stream after roughly six hours of digestion, and depending on the fat, they can last another six or more hours in the blood stream. Our recommended timing avoids conflict with fat from the diet that might otherwise block glucose uptake leading to elevated blood sugar readings.

The Medical Medium also explains that all nutrients require insulin before they can enter cells. (Said another way, glucose is required for nutrients to enter cells.)

It is known that vitamin C with a molecular structure similar to glucose can initiate insulin release from the pancreas. This helps explain why such high doses of vitamin C have the desired beneficial effects; i.e., the stimulation of insulin by these high vitamin C doses.

The glucose in Cardio-C™ (XM) will also stimulate the release of insulin (in non Type 1 diabetics), meaning that lower dose of vitamin C (and lysine) should be at least as effective as the original formula, and may be more clinically effective.
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Re: New Vit C XM (Maintenance) powder

Post by ofonorow » Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:16 am

The cardio-c XL has the freeze label on top. The XM product doesn't. Does this mean you can leave it out after opening or even store on a shelf not in the freezer?

Yes, store in a cool dark place, and don't refrigerate but freezing should not be necessary.

The hydroscopic (water attracting) proline is what turns the contents pink and clumps in Cardio-C and XL products.

In theory, the XM should last indefinitely on the shelf. The Tower CardioAde product without proline lasts for years.

After we verify that XM doesn't have to be frozen, we will have a product with a long shelf life that could be sold to stores.
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Re: New Vit C XM (Maintenance) powder

Post by ofonorow » Sun Jun 16, 2024 12:40 pm

Hello, I have been a subscriber of your Cario-C Original (or some other Pauling Therapy Vitamin C products) for a few years now. I saw in a recent email that you have a new product Cario-C XM.

Can you explain the differences between Original and XM and who XM is targeted for?

The product page has more detailed information
https://vitaminc.foundation/wp/cardio-c-xm-w-glucose/

First, XM does not contain Stevia, which a percentage of the population is allergic to, and replaces it with D-glucose.

Few people understand that absolute requirement the body has for glucose (especially the heart, liver and brain), for both energy and healing.

We lowered the amounts of lysine and vitamin C in the maintenance version.

Turns out there is a technical reason that we believe less vitamin C is required for the same effect as the original formulas - the glucose stimulates the production of insulin, which is required for ALL nutrients to enter cells. (High dose vitamin C by itself can also stimulate the pancreas to release insulin).

We also removed proline, which our own bodies make.

So people who still have high (measured) Lp(a) would be wise to stay on Cardio-C or Cardio-C XL.

For those, like me, with Lp(a) < 2, the new formula provides a more affordable way to continue with Pauling's therapy and avoid reverting to our previous "low vitamin C" state. Pauling did advise us not to stop taking our vitamin C supplements, "even for a single day."

We started a (this) forum topic on this very question.

https://vitamincfoundation.com/forum/vi ... hp?t=16074
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Re: New Vit C XM (Maintenance) powder

Post by ofonorow » Mon Jun 17, 2024 1:49 pm

Hi Owen
Is this a product that you would take instead of Vit C or add to the daily dose of Vit C

Thanks
D.

Interesting question because the product was designed for people who take Cardio-C, start to feel so well that they are tempted to stop taking Pauling's therapy. And yes, Cardio-C XM is a good source of vitamin C, and surprisingly, glucose. You can consider XM as vitamin C with "heart benefits."

Note: Glucose is required (via the insulin pathway) for we humans to absorb all nutrients (ref: Medical Medium), and glucose provides energy and is required for healing. Glucose is especially important for the heart, liver and the brain.

Since one serving of Cardio-C XM has 2000 mg of vitamin C, depending on your daily requirement, Cardio-C XM would be an excellent choice for the first 2000 mg of your daily vitamin C. (Remember, Pauling himself took 18,000 mg per day! 9000 mg divided into 2 daily doses). So yes, you can add ordinary vitamin C to Cardio-C XM, and unlike previous advice, we now recommend taking vitamin C with fruits.

IMO, because of the glucose-stimulated insulin, we think less vitamin C will have the same effects as higher amounts that are taken (or injected) without glucose.
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Re: New Vit C XM (Maintenance) powder

Post by ofonorow » Mon Jun 17, 2024 2:04 pm

> if the pauling plan is as indicated in this attachment, it appears that I would have to take 3 scoops per day to attain the 6000 of C and 5000 of lysine. am I right?

Tina

You are right, but it turns out that it's not that simple.

We think the glucose in the product allows us to reduce the amount of vitamin C (and probably lysine) without losing the beneficial effects.

If you are still on a therapeutic dosage and trying to avoid stevia, then yes 3 scoops might be the right answer.

However, this product includes glucose, which stimulates insulin, which means less vitamin C may be required for the same effect as the original. One reason such high amounts of vitamin C have been required is that they stimulate the pancreas to release insulin.

The product is designed for those who are moving from the therapeutic realm to the on-going maintenance realm, meaning their Lp(a) should by now be low. We deliberately lowered the amount of vitamin C and lysine, eliminated stevia and proline, and added magnesium.

The product is vitamin C "with heart benefits" and a good choice for your first 2000 mg of daily vitamin C.

If your cholesterol/Lp(a) is still high, I would stay on the original (or XL double) size Cardio-C products.
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Re: New Vit C XM (Maintenance) powder

Post by ofonorow » Thu Jun 20, 2024 4:01 pm

I have been following Linus Pauling’s recommendations re: Vit C and atherosclerosis. I take 6000mg of vitC and 2500 mg of lysine. Also taking proline and glysine. Your product, cardio C xl has 2500mg of vitC and that’s not Paulings recommendation and I believe he recommends more than the 6000 mg. Also, can I put that in my own smoothie? Please clarify your product recommendations. Thanks. I have atherosclerosis and stents and am a 75 year old male in good health (almost).
Thanks

Good question. Congratulations for being on a good protocol already. For how long?

From the Unified Theory Video, See snippet:

https://rumble.com/v41cl4j-paulings-rec ... ysine.html

Pauling made two recommendations, a general prophylactic (preventive) recommendation and then a therapeutic recommendation for those with heart disease.

We have always designed our products to be prophylactic at one serving per day, one jar per month, or roughly 2-3 grams of vitamin C (and equal amounts of lysine)

This way, 2 or more jars can be used to obtain the recommended therapeutic dosage.

So one jar of XL provides a preventive dosage for two months, or a low-end therapeutic dosage for one month.

Depending on how long you have been on the program, let's say more than two years, you might like to try our new maintenance product This product is designed to be added to a morning low-sugar fruit smoothie.

Cardio-C XM https://inteligentvitaminc ... cts_id=102

We have reason to believe that the glucose in the XM product makes less vitamin C more effective.
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Re: New Vit C XM (Maintenance) powder

Post by ofonorow » Thu Jun 20, 2024 4:09 pm

Feedback from a new XM user with a normally high vitamin C bowel tolerance. START SLOW.
Hi,

I'm not sure that it is related to the magnesium ascorbate in the Cardio XM, but I took a heaping scoop of XM, almost two scoops, and sometime more than an hour later had a laxative effect that took me back to my infant hood in that I had little to no control over the gentle, yet insistent, bowel movement.

Luckily, two layers and a quick crab-walk avoided catastrophe, and I was alone.

I haven't soiled my drawers in my adult life, until now. A scoop or less seems fine, and everyone is different, but I wanted the warning out there just in case it IS related and folks have social engagements or plan on being over a minute from a toilet.

Basically, don't rely on previously reliable sphincter muscles with magnesium.

... and glucose. Need a laxative anyone? My theory is that the glucose lowers bowel tolerance (makes the cells soak up vitamin C faster)...

A word to the wise, you might want to start with 1/4 to 1/2 scoop - and see what happens.
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Re: New Vit C XM (Maintenance) powder

Post by ofonorow » Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:28 pm

Definitely want to try the new mix! If you highly recommend it, please shift to the new version on our upcoming shipment.

Plenty of room in our freezer until then.

Can you please identify what specific vitamins/supplements we can stop taking when we shift over?

p.s.

I do take all of the other supplements plus others like CoQ10, krill oil, red yeast rice, citrus bergamot, Areds. Acetyl-L-carnetine, etc.

I’ll be 70 on Sep 1, I’m 6’ 1”, 190 lbs and have a 32” waist. Body fat was 20.4% last time I checked. Only take prescription meds for my BP, which is just out of normal range without them. No statins or anything else. I can also do a full squat…flexibility is key as one ages.

Gary

No need to freeze the new XM (no proline in the product)

Note that if you are taking 2 servings of Cardio-C you may not need as much XM.

Note, there are technical reasons to believe less vitamin C in XM is required, due to the glucose, for the same effects.

A couple of comments on what you shared

Hi Owen, I do take all of the other supplements plus others like CoQ10, krill oil, red yeast rice, citrus bergamot, Areds. Acetyl-L-carnetine, etc.

I’ll be 70 on Sep 1, I’m 6’ 1”, 190 lbs and have a 32” waist. Body fat was 20.4% last time I checked. Only take prescription meds for my BP, which is just out of normal range without them. No statins or anything else. I can also do a full squat…flexibility is key as one ages.

We are the same age and weight. I haven't measured my waist lately, but I doubt its 32! I was 5'11', but now they tell me I'm less than 5'9'

Anyway, FYI you are taking a "statin" red yeast rice... Just not made in a laboratory

Looking for a link to a great ebook..


https://pdfdrive.to/dl/hidden-truth-abo ... ng-drugs-0
THE HIDDEN ORIGIN OF STATIN DRUGS...
Free Downloadable Revised and Expanded E-Book by Shane Ellison. Thanks Shane!

"The cholesterol-lowering myth being spread by pharmaceutical companies worldwide could rightfully be considered the deadliest health myth in the history of man." - Shane Ellison, Medicinal Chemist


Note, brother Rob mentioned that he uses "yandex.com" and finds things you can't find on the other popular search engines.

Your list is conspicuously missing vitamin E. (Unless that is in "all the other supplements") And for a reason the eludes me at the moment, my new oracle, the Medical Medium (Anthony William) recommends against Acetyl-L-Carnitine, so I stopped recommending it. I'll update with an edit later on their reasons.

That Medical Medium series is worth reading. Everything seems wrong (but that is because they only dwell human "science "that has gone wrong from malfeasance and fraud and worse. Big Pharma/Classified Medicine, creating viruses to make us sick, and thus make Big Pharma and Big medicine rich, was apparently too much, apparently bad enough for the intelligence behind the information to ignore their "prime directive."

Finally, have you looked into David Schmidt the CEO and Founder of Lifewave? I have long understood that no matter how healthy we are as individuals, our telomeres set the limit on the oldest age we can achieve. Lengthening them opens the door to a much longer life. Schmidt has developed a product that lengthens telomeres by some outstanding amount in as little as six months. Lifewave hasn't even introduced THAT product yet! The FDA wants to treat it like a drug, but they are trying to get FDA approval to make the "telomere lengthening" claim.

However, as you may notice in this very interesting "side product" that uses the "olfactory" system to double your testosterone in 3 days - is noninvasive, and Schmidt's says that his telomeres are the length of someone age 32! (I believe Schmidt was sixty when this video was made.)


youtube direct link
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Sorry, got a little carried away :-)
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Re: New Vit C XM (Maintenance) powder

Post by ofonorow » Fri Jun 21, 2024 12:53 pm

Please feel free to share ANYTHING with me! LOVED the info!

Was just loading up 30 days of my PM supplements, and came up short on the Vit E. Heading over to our home for lunch and will grab it then. Staying with our kid’s dogs while they’re on vacation…they live 2.5 miles from us.

Here’s what I take for E, morning and night…

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Vitamin E is on my mind because of a relative who has been Vaxxed/boosted and is suffering heart failure. He is on a "blood thinner" and they erroneously told him he should avoid vitamin E because it is a "blood thinner." Vitamin E is NOT a blood thinner and will not and does not affect INR. Low levels of vitamin E are a better predictor of heart attack than either high blood pressure or elevated cholesterol! From PaulingTherapy.com


NEW INFORMATION 2014

Vitamin E
Linus Pauling long recommended 400 to 800 iu of vitamin E for cardiovascular disease. Several authors have pointed to an extensive study conducted by the World Health Organization on thousands of men and women from sixteen nations. The study illustrated that a low level of vitamin E in the blood was more than twice as predictive of heart attack than either high cholesterol or high blood pressure.

Inverse correlation between plasma vitamin E and mortality from ischemic heart disease in cross-cultural epidemiology.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1985406
Thought A L-C was on the good doctor’s protocol.

ALC is not on Pauling's list, but a former Pauling associate and advisor, Brian Leibovitz, edited the Journal Optimal Nutrition (JOM) and highly recommended Carnitine (along with Vitamin E and Magnesium) for heart disease. T

urns out the Medical Medium reasons have to do with the "made made" viral loads humanity faces.

19. L-carnitine and L-arginine

Amino acids can be antiviral—L-lysine is a prime example of this type of beneficial amino acid. In contrast, L-carnitine and L-arginine are not antiviral. They can, especially in high dosages of supplemental form, feed and promote viral proliferation because viruses were raised in labs on eggs, which are high in L-arginine and L-carnitine.

William, Anthony. Medical Medium Brain Saver Protocols, Cleanses & Recipes: For Neurological, Autoimmune & Mental Health (p. 153). Hay House. Kindle Edition.
My doctor recommended RYR years ago, but if it affects the body like pharma statins do, I’ll discontinue it immediately.

Glucose is a BIG issue as although I’m a T2 diabetic, I keep my blood sugar within normal range with diet, exercise, etc. Probably not a good idea to take X of it has a lot of glucose in it. What do you recommend?
The information about glucose is among the most important information in the Medical Medium series.

First thing to understand is that sucrose (table sugar) is half glucose, and half fructose. We are not recommending refined table sugar, and in fact Pauling in his book HTLLAFB, referring to the work of Yudkin, warned of the danger in taking table sugar, with all the extra fructose that ensues. We have evolved eating approximately 10 grams of fructose daily, but with table sugar in everything, we get 50 or more grams of fructose. Pauling correctly indentifed this problem in 1986!

Glucose doesn't make people fat. Fructose turns on the "fat switch" in the liver and does make us fat.

So glucose is what the body, especially heart, brain, liver, etc. need for energy and healing. Glucose also cools the electrical "device" that is our brain, etc.

So where does that leave Type 2 diabetics? You need to get glucose into your cells, and blood sugar levels are a good indicator how well you are accomplishing this important function. If your blood sugar levels are high - something is blocking the glucose from entering cells, and the Medical Medium explains that this "something" is fat in the blood stream. I won't go into the gory details, but if you take the XM/Glucose first thing in the morning, with a fruit smoothies, the likelihood of having fat in the blood stream is very low.

There are also other very important reasons for limiting fats related to brain function and fats in the blood sparking "oxidizing" with toxic heavy metals trapped in brain tissue. The spark creates massive metal runoffs that kills brain cells, causing dementia, Alzheimer's and other neurological disorders.

I’ll check out the Medical Medium series for sure, as well as the Lifewave and telomere info.

Again, I REALLY appreciate the info, so feel free to send me anything you believe will improve my life!

Best regards,

Added - overlooked you being on blood pressure meds...
"Taurine has an unbelievable effect on blood pressure" -- David Schmidt
Gary, I missed the fact that you take blood pressure lowering medication.

This video snippet is LifeWave's David Schmidt talking for 7 minutes about the amazing health benefits of Taurine.


https://rumble.com/v4pclu6-taurine-the- ... ement.html

Magnesium (at some dose - be careful not to wind up on the floor!) also lowers blood pressure.
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Re: New Vit C XM (Maintenance) powder

Post by ofonorow » Sun Jun 30, 2024 5:06 pm

I’m a customer of yours for cardio-c . Maybe a month ago you sent an email about a new but c product. I can’t remember the name of it and I must have deleted the email. Can u tell me how the new product differs from what I’m already taking and if you think it’s better for a persons health? Also what’s the price difference?
Thank you
The new Cardio -C XM product (M stands for maintenance) is designed for people who have lowered their risk markers with the original formula, and are feeling well enough that they might (incorrectly) feel they can stop the therapy.

If your Lp(a) is low, or you are taking Cardio-C for prevention, Cardio-C XM would be a very good choice. (If we had known about glucose amplifying vitamin C 10 years ago, my brother Mike Till with his very low C bowel tolerance might still be alive.)

My advice, first put out any heart disease "fire" with the original formula.

Visit vitamincfoundation.com and scroll down the page to the Cardio-C XM (maintenance) link.

https://vitaminc.foundation/wp/cardio-c-xm-w-glucose/

Let ne know if this helps.
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